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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #25 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:50pm: LD Hammer users get fucked How so? I don't use hammers so help me out. They classed the Pulverizer crit to Insight bonus. Isn't everything else a competence bonus, meaning that it will stack? I thought it seemed like a good thing actually, But totally ignorant on hammer builds here.


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Scrybe Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 281 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2013	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #26 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	They tried to give fighters some lovin' by redistributing some of the PRR benefits to them in the form of feats. I'm sure they'll whine about them not being auto-granted


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yardarm Ex Member	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #27 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:05pm: I think they're the opposite of fucked, especially if they're Holy Sword-ing or Ravaging. Nice to see I wasn't the only one confused by that.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #28 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:16pm	Print Post
	Scrybe wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:07pm: They tried to give fighters some lovin' by redistributing some of the PRR benefits to them in the form of feats.� I'm sure they'll whine about them not being auto-granted Yeah, cause Fighters are so tight on feats... If I take more than 8 levels of fighter, I'm generally scratching my head about what to take sometimes. A feat that gives 12 PRR would be welcome. One that gives +8 to tactics is pretty strong too. If only tactics weren't useless for the most part. How about making Stunning Blow have the same cool down as Stunning Fist?


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #29 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:22pm	Print Post
	Heh, Holy Sword change is fine by me. Lazygood, no more reapply on switch out to new weapon.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #30 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:22pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:05pm: How so?� I don't use hammers so help me out.� They classed the Pulverizer crit to Insight bonus.� Isn't everything else a competence bonus, meaning that it will stack?� I thought it seemed like a good thing actually, But totally ignorant on hammer builds here. No this is accurate. It is a buff to pulverizer, and potentially hammer based throwers if they can be salvaged with high enough doubleshot.


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #31 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	Quote: Two Weapon Fighting no longer grants melee power. Improved Two Weapon Fighting no longer grants melee power. Greater Two Weapon Fighting no longer grants melee power. Can't make sense of this. Why necessary? Did I miss something? Edit: The list is weird in quite a few places. This is more than just nerfs, these are some fairly detailed and broad system changes. It affects a number of builds. Can't they leave fucking anything alone for five minutes? I know the answer, don't I? Ah well, perhaps time for another break. Fuck buying any hearts to make up for their continuing nob-twiddling.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #32 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:51pm: I disagree with "balancing" the game with nerfs vs. increasing the rest of the classes to a similar level.� I guess the idea was let's nerf pallys, barbs, mechanics, twf'ers, bow users, monkchers, star chuckers, warlocks, and anyone using heavy armor all at once.� So at least no one will feel singled out.� All you swash Bards out there, nice job dodging the nerf hammer. the problem with this stance in my opinion is that if they just bring everyone up, all of their balanced old content becomes laughably and pathetically easy, DDO content being case in point. Without resources to go back and change balance in EVERY OLD QUEST, the only option is to just nerf away and try to remove power creep bloat from everyone all at once. I think at this point, it's sorely overdue, personally.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #33 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:25pm: the problem with this stance in my opinion is that if they just bring everyone up, all of their balanced old content becomes laughably and pathetically easy, DDO content being case in point. Without resources to go back and change balance in EVERY OLD QUEST, the only option is to just nerf away and try to remove power creep bloat from everyone all at once. I think at this point, it's sorely overdue, personally. I'm not overly concerned about the changes. I came back to the game after a 9-12 month break to find my fighter, FvS, monk, and wizard were all weak as hell vs. when I left. I've been TR'ing, LRing and E-TRing and trying variations on Druid Wolf, Barb, Bard, Pally, Warlock, and Ranger (real recently) and having fun with it. I don't get worked up over system changes or attached to certain class/build combinations. If it makes a build not fun, I'll just change to something that is. I understand that not everyone feels this way. Maybe it's the old D&D player in me. I always played a different class/build in every campaign. I had some I liked more than others and revisited, but experimenting with new options is fun to me.


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Bigdickrichguy Horoluth Raider Offline I'm gunna put my dick<br />in your vag.<br /> Posts: 2096 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #34 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	kum-gulp wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:24pm: Can't make sense of this. Why necessary? Did I miss something? Edit: The list is weird in quite a few places. This is more than just nerfs, these are some fairly detailed and broad system changes. It affects a number of builds. Can't they leave fucking anything alone for five minutes? I know the answer, don't I? Ah well, perhaps time for another break. Fuck buying any hearts to make up for their continuing nob-twiddling. They buff tempest just to nerf twf? I dont get it. And changing improved critical to work with a weapon type is so restricting.
	« Last Edit: Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:40pm by Bigdickrichguy »

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #35 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:45pm	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:35pm: They buff tempest just to nerf twf? I dont get it. And changing improved critical to work with a weapon type is so restricting. I don't get the nerf to TWF, although from Sev's comments nerfing TWF was clearly a key point of the balancing. Specifically pally TWF'ers.


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Sindarin Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 36 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2013	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #36 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	Is the new improved critical going to be just one feat and you get all the weapon types? Noticed Khopesh wasn't on the +3 list, just +2 like other swords. I didn't use it much, but that'll make some folks mad I expect.


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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #37 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:35pm: And changing improved critical to work with a weapon type is so restricting. Why is this so hard for people to figure out? Improved critical going to be the same bonus as it is now, just additive instead of multiplative.� �It's their fix for the crazy crit ranges people are getting with it being a multiplier. Sindarin wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:58pm: Noticed Khopesh wasn't on the +3 list, just +2 like other swords. Khopesh is 19-20 X3. Improved crit currently makes it 17-20 X3. Again, nothing is changing.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #38 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Sindarin wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:58pm: Is the new improved critical going to be just one feat and you get all the weapon types? Noticed Khopesh wasn't on the +3 list, just +2 like other swords.� I didn't use it much, but that'll make some folks mad I expect. Khopesh doesn't have an extended crit range. It has an extended multiplier. It is 19-20 base, just like long sword, Short sword and bastard sword. But it has a x3 multiplier instead of x2. Falchion, Kukri, Scim, Rapier, and Great X-bow are the only weapons with the 18-20 range. Everything is getting the correct threat range expansion.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #39 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:22pm: No this is accurate. It is a buff to pulverizer, and potentially hammer based throwers if they can be salvaged with high enough doubleshot. Yep, sorry. Missed the fact that Crit Rage and Pulverizer were different bonuses. Thought they were the same. My bad.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #40 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:24pm	Print Post
	Sindarin wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:58pm: Is the new improved critical going to be just one feat and you get all the weapon types? Noticed Khopesh wasn't on the +3 list, just +2 like other swords.� I didn't use it much, but that'll make some folks mad I expect. They made the Improved Crit feat changes so they don't get affected weirdly by Kensei's Keen Edge or Divine Crusader's Celestial Champion.

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Toke Stormreaver Piker Offline ... or maybe I was just smoking something. Posts: 744 Joined: Jan 7^th, 2014	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #41 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Everything is getting the correct threat range expansion. Except weapons with modified crit profiles, like SOS?

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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #42 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 4:45pm: I don't get the nerf to TWF, although from Sev's comments nerfing TWF was clearly a key point of the balancing.� Specifically pally TWF'ers.� Seems a bit misguided and broad strokes if that was the aim. Ah well, should expect it by now!


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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #43 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	Toke wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:12pm: Except weapons with modified crit profiles, like SOS? Yeah, they're no longer doubling, just getting whatever + the base weapon would get. So it's a nerf for them; to use your example, ESoS will crit 16-20 instead of 15-20 with IC.

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RemRemi Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #44 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	Brave new world!


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Bigdickrichguy Horoluth Raider Offline I'm gunna put my dick<br />in your vag.<br /> Posts: 2096 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #45 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:04pm: Why is this so hard for people to figure out? Improved critical going to be the same bonus as it is now, just additive instead of multiplative.� �It's their fix for the crazy crit ranges people are getting with it being a multiplier. Khopesh is 19-20 X3.� Improved crit currently makes it 17-20 X3.� Again, nothing is changing. Because right now, critical is slashing/pierce/bludge and it says it will be changed to weapon type. They way I read it it will no long apply to all slashing and just apply to longswords or whatever weapon type is selected.


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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #46 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:36pm	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:31pm: Because right now, critical is slashing/pierce/bludge and it says it will be changed to weapon type. They way I read it it will no long apply to all slashing and just apply to longswords or whatever weapon type is selected. I didn't read it that way. Quote: These feats now add a bonus to critical threat range based purely on weapon type. I read that as the feats staying the same, but the bonus they give will be based on weapon type. Of course, it's entirely possi.... probable that they'll fuck up the coding, and your greatsword will become a falchion, and the fix will be to make a feat for each weapon type, but I don't think that was the intended message.

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #47 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	RemRemi wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:27pm: Brave new world! Aren't you glad you're a Delta?

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RemRemi Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #48 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:40pm	Print Post
	Like you have to ask?


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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Incoming nerfs listed Reply #49 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children.

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