Let me be clear - I am not endorsing any of the proposed changes.  I am referencing the apparent change in approach.

I agree with Sev's approach of putting these significant changes out there to be discussed.  It is the right thing to do to avoid the allegation of stealth nerfs.  The next step is mature debate which is taken onboard, cogitated and analysed and the best outcome for the game, in light of the broader canvas of recent and future changes, is determined.

The reality based on track record is these changes are already locked and loaded, the feedback and advice will be ignored and this whole exercise will have been a pointless pissing into the wind endeavour.
Even the language of the proposed changes is past tense and not "we're considering this".

I sincerely hope they do engage and explain.  People might not like change, but they can come to accept it if they understand it, the reasoning is sound and they have some sense of social maturity.

The big problem they have in DDO is these changes do not occur in a vacuum.  There is time, energy and resources put into builds that will be changed by this.  I'm talking rare items or T3 items built specifically for a build that is adversely affected (eg. Ranged Paladins).  People using non WAI features take the risks.  But using WAI things that are changed, especially after so long should not be punished for the devs inability to macromanage the game efficiently.

They need to give equal consideration to people adversely affected by this and how they can placate them.  +20 hearts is a start.
Gear - no idea how they handle that, so they won't.

Meursault raised a good point about casual gamers.  They don't have the luxury of burning thru another TR to "move on".  These sweeping changes can really affect that element of the playerbase.

I really think that Turdbine need to consider not only the mechanics of the changes, but how to mitigate the blowback.   Of course, based on past experience, they won't.

Who said Sev had been replaced??
He sure isn't acting like someone "sulking in his office playing NWO"?
Was that another Vault gambit?

Most of all, I just really wish Uurlock would shut the fuck up.

DropBear wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:


I was one.

This balance pass is born of two things. first off, the fact that they can hang the blowback on Sev as he is already on his way out the door, he has enthusiastically embraced this role, he sees it as a way to leave his mark on the game that he couldn't figure out much less "fix".  Second, the scope and scale of the balance pass is a direct reflection of the animosity and spite Sev has developed for the game and players that didn't appreciate his "genius".

Look very closely at the language he uses, and the pace he sets, also don't miss his lead off complaint about people making fun of his term "over performing", yes he actually complains about it. Quite simply Sev is out to settle scores here before leaves.

He has no input or involvement with day to day operations any more, and has been merely holding the fort for appearance sake for WB. Like any company they decided to use his departure to clean up some small problems and in typical Sev fashion he has let his wounded pride amplify the outcome. No one knew that he was going to drop the whole package today, or even that he had added so many items to the list. Now it's very easy to see that he is trying to make significant changes to his ideas and developments that didn't work before his replacement audits the game and starts that process of correction and rollback.

Try to understand that by doing this kind of really large scale deep revision Sev is insuring that the changes he makes will be the left untouched for at least 18-24 months because in the future the team will have to examine the on-going effects of the changes before being able to apply for the resource direction orders to change such new deployments.

Good news, Sev is almost gone. Sad news, he is going to warp the game out of spite on his way out the door.

So, nope no gambit vault or otherwise, just the sad outcome of a man in over his head bringing the game down to his level.

I should probably give you this warning Drop, it could drag out til the first weeks of December, that's rather unlikely but there is still a small chance it could happen that way now that they are into the quarter and still rearranging management assignments.

Sorry to be bearer of so much bad news.

Hmmm, a lot to go over. Don't think it'll affect the current builds I play much, but I can see some guildies getting pissed.

gumba wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

Wow, that is at once so pathetic and so plausible. Shove it so far up our asses even a competent surgeon would take many hours of surgery to extract it.

So any word what project his "genius" will next grace? Does WB know what a bitter, spiteful, incompetent poser they have? It sounds like they are at least moderately involved, and given Turdbin's track record that sounds like a good thing.

I'd love to see somebody with successful reorg experience clean house and turn Turbine around.

I was out of me... banned again from the forum. I became blue when i saw the list... how can these guys develop a game they don't play and don't know?

raybob wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

You are very perceptive and wise.

Sev's going nowhere anytime soon.

Tranquil is full of shit. Don't believe a WORD he says about Sev's motivations or status.

rest wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Don't we all.

DropBear wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

Perhaps I'm misremembering, but I thought Tranquil said he was being moved elsewhere within WB, not fired, so "keeping him in the noose while alternatives are arranged" is perfectly normal. For a firing, no, but for an internal move, yes.

And if it's billed right, it could even have a positive effect on morale - "You did well and we're rewarding you with a great opportunity" could inspire others to work hard for a similar parachute out of Turdbin.

Technomage wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:22pm:



Hey Tranqy! looks like someone has a crush on you! Be careful these western states boys fall hard when the fall in love 

Quote:

super rekt

Ginger_Walri wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 5:20am:

18 rogue mech and shiradi largely unaffected.

still tree and wolf.

caster pass coming so your fvs gets better.


besides not like we weren't steam rolling shit pre u24 anyway. I dont mind the nerfs if they are this broad. but anyone like harhar who thinks this will bring back no eyes closed no roflstomping is wrong. shit makes no difference to me what update you bring me back to