Rubbinns wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 5:26am:

The fvs is beyond boring, so is wolf, mech was alright. Shiradi wasn't ever really my thing. Trees can eat a bag of dicks...did I forget anything?

ILoveExploits wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

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Ginger_Walri wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 5:20am:

Haha my ddo story. Fvs is okay and different but weak in the grand scheme of things.
Assassin is party dependent a lot. Mechanic wipes the floor with it.
Monkcher just got completely fucked. Like totally. In the ass. Without lube. Without consent. On Rohypnol.
Palemaster, I don't even ... hey, can stone/blind EE mod and 7 mins hage, so that's a plus ! For sure.

I am running out of nonturdbined characters here lol.

FranOhmsford wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 7:20am:


What the hell are you talking about?

Power Critical is not required.

FranOhmsford wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 7:20am:

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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 8:06am:

Also, please die in a fire post haste. Thank you for your cooperation.

Rubbinns wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 5:26am:


Swash Bards.  You forgot about them.  Swash bards are completely untouched. 

FranOhmsford wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 7:20am:


OK.  Give me 18 "must haves".

I've got: (typical strength based melee fighter)

3 - Combat style chain (SWF,TWF,THF,S&B)
1 - Improved Crit
3 - Weapon Focus
2 - Weapon Spec
1 - Power Attack
3 - STR feats (Cleave/Great Cleave/Stunning Blow)
1 - Overwhelming Crit
=14 feats

What am I missing?  Power Critical?  Oversized TWF/TWF defense for TWF?  None of those classify as "must haves".

I'm not even sure all the above are "must haves".

Even if you switch to a dex build and go precision and the dodge/mobility/spring attack/whirlwind route you still have at least 3 free feats at the end.

Don't get me wrong, fighters are at the ass end of the melee tree right now.  But their enhancements are the main reason they are garbage.  Kensai is a joke in comparison to Swash, Ravager and Tempest.  But trying to say there are 18 must have feats doesn't make sense. 

Asheras wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 10:25am:


And, ya know, Balizarde...

Asheras wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

You are correct.

Asheras wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 10:13am:


Overwhelming Crit is an Epic Feat so you can knock that off the list.

But you're missing Greater Weapon Focus, Greater Weapon Spec and Khop or B-Sword.

I wouldn't take Stunning Blow but would take Power Crit.

Then there's Superior Weapon Focus which OK maybe I can skip.

A TWF build is likely to want at least Dodge. {But I've noticed these new Armour feats seem to be strictly for Hvy Armour so probably won't affect Light/Medium Armour Builds anyway.}.

Resilience and Combat Expertise both have their uses {as does Precision}.

Magical Training for Cocoon usage.

Force of Personality if PDK Charisma spec.

And finally there's Toughness {Not the required feat it once was but still not bad.}
And my personal favourite Feat - Augment Summoning {Which I will skip if I can't fit it in - Would be nice if I could fit in a personally preferred Feat however without instantly becoming Gimped!}.

Maybe not a specific 18 Feats for every Fighter Build but close enough that 8 new Feats {4 of which will be Must Haves} is going to hurt!



Oh and there's Improved Trip of course {pre-req Combat Expertise} and I don't see how it makes sense to take 4 Trip Enhancing Feats without taking Imp. Trip?

Rubbinns wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 5:26am:

After the recent scaling changes, things feel about right for the high end of the power scale. Not sure neglected classes will be any fun if the nerfs come and the scaling is not adjusted.

I don't mind it, I'll either run on a lower difficulty if needed (now they've dropped tiered loot because I don't have a point to prove) for speed, or take more time. Other players probably not so forgiving. Seems odd and off that they'd now move away from an easier overall experience with the game where it is financially. Maybe they'll give a portion of power back with L29-30.

FranOhmsford wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

u wot m8?

FranOhmsford wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

are you just naming random shit now?

Rubbinns wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

I usually just ignore Franfag posts because they are all retarded but this one makes me laugh hard.

I guess those feats are pretty good while playing in norm difficult.

I don't even know why this tard comment about EE's since he never tried it before.