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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #25 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:32am	Print Post
	amazing...
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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #26 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:36am	Print Post
	Bug fix and nerf are not mutually exclusive terms. its a nerf to more than just weapons with expanded crit ranges its a nerf to the majority of relevant melee builds. It might not have been working as intended but to claim it isnt a nerf to those builds is flat out wrong.


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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #27 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:42am	Print Post
	Severlin nerfs are over performing. They will implement this on live and people will keep on complaining and soon they will make new changes and nerf the nerfs again to achieve "balance".


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #28 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:31am: Oh by all means, i fully agree that it is a neff, when it comes to the specific weapons that have their ranges otherwise modified from their normal base ranges. There is an "easy" way to otherwise return these said weapons back to how they are now (excluding weird stacking issues) by increasing the base range slightly farther. In the case of sireth - which has an 18-20 currently, i would make it innately 16-20.. simply to keep it where it is now, as well as after the change (15-20 range with IC) An easier fix still would be to fix IC, without having to change it. By this i mean fix the code on how things are applied to weapons, Feats should apply first and foremost. This would prevent any additional things added from being affected my IC, as IC is already tied to the weapon. Correct. All they had to do was change the current math: (Base Profile + Enh + Spell + ED) x IC = Active Crit range To the proper math: (Base Profile x IC) + Enh + Spell + ED = Active Crit range


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raybob DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 452 Joined: Sep 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #29 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 17^th, 2015 at 7:27pm: We'll start with Red: Improved crit was not NERFED in any way (cept for a few weapons that had irregular crit ranges). So those weapons got nerfed. Did you even read what you wrote?


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mystafyi Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 836 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #30 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 17^th, 2015 at 9:39pm: Uh huh.. how well does one need to lern it? completionist? Triple completionist? Triple Completionist with Triple Epic Completionist.. All of which hold true for every one of my toons This means nothing. Unless you are trying to prove you know how to use your credit card with wild abandon. Perhaps you are trying to prove you knew how to use your credit card along with your knowledge of pulling out your Ethernet cable? I normally like your postings, but I have a pet peeve about folks bragging about the above.


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #31 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	"So those weapons got nerfed. Did you even read what you wrote?" He's just making words again; skip it.


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #32 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	mystafyi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:48pm: This means nothing. Unless you are trying to prove you know how to use your credit card with wild abandon. Perhaps you are trying to prove you knew how to use your credit card along with your knowledge of pulling out your Ethernet cable? Who needs a credit card? Ottos Boxes were free like, a year ago.. eh, longer than that i stopped actively logging in every day a year ago.


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Metal-Beast Abbot Raider Offline \m/ Posts: 767 Joined: Apr 13^th, 2014	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #33 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:52pm	Print Post
	Vic wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:24am: While KNN is truly a faggot, he sadly has a point: Imp crit changes were/are a nerf. This. Quote: Screw the "not working as intended" part - I am fine with them fixing it. The nerf lies in the weapons you listed. They are, apart form TF, many of the most powerful weapons in the game at their lvl. They are not just "shitty weps no one uses". And this is lowering their effectivity a lot. That is simply a nerf for many of my toons. Also, I am not currently running an acrobat, but I like acrobats. They are fiun to me. But TA DPS dropped so much by this nerf (because all decent staves have somehow modified crit range), that it is disheartening. Hit the nail on the head. The weapons listed are sort of the " Who's Who" of gear sets, from Korthos to Defiler of the Just. For someone like myself, who spent ages grinding out an eSoS, that's a solid nut-punch. Do I care enough to RageQuit over it? Nope. I think the greater frustration lies in the fact that any of these problems happened in the first place, when it was easily avoidable with unpaid-intern level competence. PS- I am also Sad Panda over my upcoming Monkrobat...

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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #34 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:23am	Print Post
	yo metal, that's just ONE nail in the coffin. that nerf alone, no biggie; all combined?! fuck....


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painkiller Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 188 Joined: May 14^th, 2013	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #35 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:39am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:23am: yo metal, that's just ONE nail in the coffin.� that nerf alone, no biggie; all combined?!� fuck.... so TR and try something different, what's the big deal? they invalidate 95% of the loot every two updates so just wait for epic shroud and you'll be fine


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CrustyRing Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 17 Joined: Sep 22^nd, 2015	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #36 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:03am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 17^th, 2015 at 11:47am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkxID5Ye-Sg (soundtrack mandtory for reading this post) so the greasy, cock-gobbling, dick-gnawingh, ball-skin-tugging-with-their-teeth developers keep driving nails in the coffin, but the laters nerf to melee and ranged dps is the worst. SNIPPED FOR BEING TEDIOUS DRIVEL. Oh dear - did somebody mess with your build.� I only hope that it will prompt you to leave the game. [] wrote on Oct 17^th, 2015 at 11:47am: i'm done with this game. Looks like it is a good news day.�
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Ckorik Dragon Raider Offline N00b Posts: 223 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2012	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #37 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Who needs a credit card? Ottos Boxes were free like, a year ago.. eh, longer than that i stopped actively logging in every day a year ago. You have 48 hours to confirm this by dropbear and no one will ever give a flying fuck that I wrote this... blah blah


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #38 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Ckorik wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am: You have 48 hours to confirm this by dropbear and no one will ever give a flying fuck that I wrote this... blah blah ^-^ Careful, the Bear is starting its hibernation period. It gets mad when disturbed ^-^


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Oxidizer Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 171 Location: In a snuggie with straps Joined: Apr 28^th, 2013	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #39 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	This thread topic has been on lather, rinse, repeat since who fucking cares. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265285746 It will never be tailored for everyone, just play.


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #40 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30pm	Print Post
	Oxidizer wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:23pm: This thread topic has been on lather, rinse, repeat since who fucking cares. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265285746 It will never be tailored for everyone, just play. Wow, that was so long ago.. before i even made an official account hur


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #41 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	Metal-Beast wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:52pm: This. Hit the nail on the head. The weapons listed are sort of the " Who's Who" of gear sets, from Korthos to Defiler of the Just. For someone like myself, who spent ages grinding out an eSoS, that's a solid nut-punch. Do I care enough to RageQuit over it? Nope. I think the greater frustration lies in the fact that any of these problems happened in the first place, when it was easily avoidable with unpaid-intern level competence. PS- I am also Sad Panda over my upcoming Monkrobat... I have two eSoS's. I don't really like THF builds, but will use them occasionally for leveling a barb. I have plenty of the other named weapons. They are still better than most others at their level. I doubt I'll retire any because of this.


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #42 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:56pm	Print Post
	@ Asheras: what this game is missing is fucking epic monkey grip!
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #43 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:08am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:56pm: @ Asheras: what this game is missing is fucking epic monkey grip! Wrong. The feat you're looking for is an epic feat called "Wield Oversized Weapon" from The Complete Warrior. That would allow you to use a greatsword in each hand. Monkey Grip would not.

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #44 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:24am	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:08am: Wrong. The feat you're looking for is an epic feat called "Wield Oversized Weapon" from The Complete Warrior. That would allow you to use a greatsword in each hand. Monkey Grip would not. Correct, i think.. Maybe? yes, im sure you are right. Monkey Grip merely allowed you to use a weapon of one class larger than you as if it were a single handed weapon If it were designed to be specifically used by the larger creature, rather than a dual hand. IE: Large Sword in a Medium persons hands would normally qualify as a 2h for said medium persons, with monkey grip it could be held in one hand, though still suffers an attack penalty.. Right? (been a while, no one round my area to table with)


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #45 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:42am	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:24am: Correct, i think.. Maybe?� yes, im sure you are right. Monkey Grip merely allowed you to use a weapon of one class larger than you as if it were a single handed weapon If it were designed to be specifically used by the larger creature, rather than a dual hand.� IE: Large Sword in a Medium persons hands would normally qualify as a 2h for said medium persons, with monkey grip it could be held in one hand, though still suffers an attack penalty.. Right? (been a while, no one round my area to table with) Correct.

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #46 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:44am	Print Post
	epic monkey grip allowed you to dual wield two handed weapons with no penaly to hit, nyihgrouwahjksfgjkl:!


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #47 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:47am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:44am: epic monkey grip allowed you to dual wield two handed weapons with no penaly to hit, nyihgrouwahjksfgjkl:! Wrong. There is no such feat as "Epic Monkey Grip" in v3.5. Lrn2play D&D, noob.
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	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #48 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:48am	Print Post
	Wrong? Watch and learn! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA


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Oxidizer Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 171 Location: In a snuggie with straps Joined: Apr 28^th, 2013	Re: Direction of the Game: you just lost it! Reply #49 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:54am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:48am: Wrong?� Watch and learn! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA


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