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Dump_Stat begs: please don't let firewall win!
Oct 19th, 2015 at 12:54pm
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Default New 10k Stars is too powerful
for a 20 Monk it's 100% Doubleshot (wrapping if the latest dev posts are to be believed) and Wisdom score to Ranged Power. If you get your wisdom to 38+, and your Monk level over 12-14, this ability is better than the Epic Moment in Divine Crusader.

At 20 Monk with 42+ Wisdom, it far exceeds it, due to how often it's up (50% of the time). Really Devs? One ability is going to grant that much power but only to a pure class?

Better idea:

10k stars grants 2*Wisdom Score in Doubleshot (end game would be 60-100'ish) and 3*Monk level in Ranged Power (3-60 Ranged Power depending on split).

My consideration is regarding it's potential use by throwing builds with Shuriken. Not all thrower builds should require 20 Monk levels to be competitive. I don't have the mental wherewithal to gameplan it in every possible ranged build. My feeling however is that one way or the other, no Ranged build will go without it.

Moreover, I am frustrated that ALL of the discussion of 10k stars has revolved around it's utility to Archery, when it is in fact a SHURIKEN specific ability that also allows bows with an extra feat.

Can we please have some dev comments on how they feel 10k changes will affect throwing characters and builds? Do a quick forum survey, there are as many throwers now as there are archery characters, but we're not being represented or acknowledged.

#ThrowerBuildsMatter



Hahahahh you are such a whining little bitch that it just warms me heart to see a snitch like you crying because you were sucking the wrong cock! 

Guess becoming Jerry's buttboi wasn't so smart in hindsight eh (hindsight get it? buttboi~hind?) by choosing to become Fatty's little minion you wasted valuable time kissing the wrong sphincter, when you should have been servicing Sev's ego. See while Jerry could reopen your account on the mobos he doesn't have any actual knowledge or input into the game design......

Yet another example of your poor knowledge and tactical grasp.

This is fantastic Karma for you numbskull, after snitching on Firewall last week out of butthurt and jealousy it's fantastic to see his agenda taking a piss all over your build theory, hey! isn't usually just Dev's who you let give you golden showers?

And I do hope everyone else sees  the incredibly lame/poortaste "#ThrowerBuildsMatter" at the end if there was ever any doubt Sobsobsandyvag was in his late teens this nails it.

Firewall 1 ~ Dump_stat 0

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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 1:03pm
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Hey Dump_Stat you do realize that what you are up to is obvious to everyone now right?

Dump_Stat motto " if my build can't benefit all other builds must be nerfed"

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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 6:22pm
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i got a nemesis!
  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 19th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
i got a nemesis!



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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 6:43pm
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If 10k changes are kept as is, I will roll a 20 Monk.

I'm just hoping that doesn't happen.
  
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also, thanks for spreading the word!
  
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 19th, 2015 at 6:43pm:
also, thanks for spreading the word!

you thyink you can actually take the abuse or are you going to use that report button? I mean, I know what your baby dick self is going to do, just asking for fun.
  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #7 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 9:38pm
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Remi and Grand are the TMZ of the Vault. 

Can we move this to the Drama section?

Anyone that cares was already going to read it anyway.
  
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ya'll niggas can laugh all you want: it's greasy cock scukers like that which ruin this games because the devs don't have the wherewithall to tell them to fuck off....THEY CAPITULATE!
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 10:33pm
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its fun riling you guys up, and easy. 

I think i'll do some more of it.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 10:42pm
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I'm not sure why 10k is being compared to a Divine Crusader epic moment.  Both 10k stars and Manyshot have always been more powerful than that. 

Old 10k Stars was wisdom only and a decent Wisdom gave you 100% chance for 2nd star/arrow and 50% for 3rd and 5-8% for fourth.

Now, for a pure monk you are getting a 100% chance for 2nd and maybe a 25-30% chance for a 3rd.  The offset is you get that extra around 50-55 ranged power.  I'd say you have a good chance to do equivalent base damage, maybe a bit more, but it's not OMG awesome.  And when you factor in procs, the RoF loss really starts to be felt. 

Take that to a 12-14 monk and you are in a 90-100% chance for a second star/arrow and no chance for a 3rd.  At that point, your RP add isn't enough to offset the loss of extra RoF, especially when you consider the on proc events. 

One issue with pure monks is that monks have a much lower doubleshot due to no enhancement options that rangers have, so the doubleshot penalty removal doesn't help as much. 

I'm not seeing the issue here.  It seems pretty comparable on base damage and a nerf on proc effects.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 10:48pm
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Asheras wrote on Oct 19th, 2015 at 10:42pm:
I'm not sure why 10k is being compared to a Divine Crusader epic moment.  Both 10k stars and Manyshot have always been more powerful than that. 

Old 10k Stars was wisdom only and a decent Wisdom gave you 100% chance for 2nd star/arrow and 50% for 3rd and 5-8% for fourth.

Now, for a pure monk you are getting a 100% chance for 2nd and maybe a 25-30% chance for a 3rd.  The offset is you get that extra around 50-55 ranged power.  I'd say you have a good chance to do equivalent base damage, maybe a bit more, but it's not OMG awesome.  And when you factor in procs, the RoF loss really starts to be felt. 

Take that to a 12-14 monk and you are in a 90-100% chance for a second star/arrow and no chance for a 3rd.  At that point, your RP add isn't enough to offset the loss of extra RoF, especially when you consider the on proc events. 

One issue with pure monks is that monks have a much lower doubleshot due to no enhancement options that rangers have, so the doubleshot penalty removal doesn't help as much. 

I'm not seeing the issue here.  It seems pretty comparable on base damage and a nerf on proc effects.


Because you used to be able to enjoy the benefits of 10k without having to be a 20 Monk.

Now you have to be a 20 Monk to get all of the benefits.

I am proposing it is changed to meet in the middle. More Monk gives benefits, 20 Monk does not trounce 6 Monk.

I addressed the Doubleshot question for Pure Monks in my thread, which is that the vast majority of Doubleshot in Game now comes from Gear, Feats, and PLs, not Enhancements.
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