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gabrion Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2015	AA Shuriken Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	I posted about this general concept a long time ago, but back then it was just pointing out that Arrow of Slaying and Adrenaline were still working on shuriken, which made for some nice (if a bit gimmicky) burst shuriken builds. With the changes to AA on Lama right now though, another thing has shown up that makes this much more appealing. The toggle of imbues (also a bug that is still working) now makes elemental arrows pretty powerful. With 148 acid spell power, I was getting about 80 dmg/shuriken with the acid imbue (plus it's obviously a nice perk to get 8% more fort bypass through the T5). The capstone giving +2 more DEX and doubleshot not being screwed by builds with 10K stars is also nice.


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Orange Flash Waterworks Kobold Offline Can you get the citation? Posts: 159 Location: Japan Joined: Dec 1^st, 2014	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #1 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	20 monk on 10k would give 100% doubleshot, but with items past life enanchements etc u can reach more, so often do a tripleshot, core2 of ninja quadruple shot, shuriken expertise pentashot your idea could be interesting, but i think after update 20 monk will be best (also if u really love AA you can do an elf or half elf 20 monk)


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #2 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	20 Elf Monk wouldnt be too bad, provided the AA tree effects shuri still? easily obtain 80 dex (my live 12m/8r has 85 iirc), 20 monk = 100% DS, Core 2 ninja = 80% (DS%=Dex), Expertise Feat = 80% (DS%=Dex). Another 50% from gear/Enhancments/ED pastlifes puts you at a solid 310% Doubleshot, resulting in a guaranteed 4 stars per throw (300% DS + first star) , with a chance at a 5th (Remaining 10% DS). Furthermore you have 10k stars, which now also improves RP 50% of the time (30 second use, 30 second cooldown) which will give another hypothetical (40 wis shouldnt be too hard to get on a Dex>Wis>Con monk) 40% dmg to those stars, which is effectively throwing a 5th star at 50% instead of 10%. 200 dmg average per star(no imbues) * 4.1 stars per toss * 40RP =1148 dmg per volley, each volley takes ~.6 seconds to throw with whirling wrist twisted and the other throwing speed modifiers, so in the 30 seconds of 10k - 57400 @ approximately 50 throws. not too shabby for a 1d4 weapon ^-^
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #3 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	the cluelessness displayed in this thread so far is GLORIOUS!


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #4 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:36pm	Print Post
	AA tree is terrible except for the Capstone and questionably Slayer Arrow. And to get those two things you would need to spend almost 60 AP. Will it play? Yeah, it will be mostly fine. Will it be good? No not particularly.


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gabrion Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #5 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	Move along...nothing to see here
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #6 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	correct
	« Last Edit: Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:39pm by [] »

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #7 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:38pm: 20 Elf Monk wouldnt be too bad, provided the AA tree effects shuri still? easily obtain 80 dex (my live 12m/8r has 85 iirc), 20 monk = 100% DS, Core 2 ninja = 80% (DS%=Dex), Expertise Feat = 80% (DS%=Dex). Another 50% from gear/Enhancments/ED pastlifes puts you at a solid 310% Doubleshot, resulting in a guaranteed 4 stars per throw (300% DS + first star) , with a chance at a 5th (Remaining 10% DS). Furthermore you have 10k stars, which now also improves RP 50% of the time (30 second use, 30 second cooldown) which will give another hypothetical (40 wis shouldnt be too hard to get on a Dex>Wis>Con monk) 40% dmg to those stars, which is effectively throwing a 5th star at 50% instead of 10%. 200 dmg average per star(no imbues) * 4.1 stars per toss * 40RP =1148 dmg per volley, each volley takes ~.6 seconds to throw with whirling wrist twisted and the other throwing speed modifiers, so in the 30 seconds of 10k - 57400 @ approximately 50 throws. not too shabby for a 1d4 weapon ^-^ It's a d2 weapon. I wont know with a DPS test but I still think 14 Monk 6 Ranger will be a lot better, Drow or Halfling. Also lets talk about your alleged 85 Dex: 20 Base 7 Level Ups 7 Tome 4 Tensers 4 Monk 2 Racail 2 Other Tree Enhancement 2 Profane 1 Globe 4 Insight 12 Enhancement 2 Completionist 2 Yugo ------------------- That's 69. You could get maybe another 2 or 3 in trees depending on how you spend AP. So 71 or 72ish max. How on a 12/8 split are you getting 85?
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #8 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	that "2d weapon" is second only to long bows for DPS, nigger. you must be a halfling, and you have to twist in whirrling wrists from shiradi. DPS damage over time, you can either increase the damage (long bow power) or cut down on the time (shuriken rate of fire). how do you faggots not know this stuff?
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gabrion Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #9 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	� I guess I assumed if they don't even have the time to put together a decent product in their game, they wouldn't have the time to troll around here to see what to nerf.�
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #10 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:41pm	Print Post
	the only reason i mentioned what i did about force lines affectin untyped damaged is because they've knownw about it for a while, and after two attemps, a REAL fix is in the offing; the ship has sailed on that one.


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #11 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:57pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:39pm: Also lets talk about your alleged 85 Dex: 20 Base 7 Level Ups 7 Tome 4 Tensers 4 Monk 2 Racail <-- Racial? 2 Other Tree Enhancement 2 Profane 1 Globe 4 Insight 12 Enhancement 2 Completionist 2 Yugo ------------------- That's 69. You could get maybe another 2 or 3 in trees depending on how you spend AP. So 71 or 72ish max. Ill leave your list in-tact, for keepsakes ^-^ Halfing, Looks like i TRd out of the 12monk/8 rogue. its now a 9 rogue/6monk/5 wizard. 20 Base 7 Level ups 6 Tome 4 Windstance 4 Tensers 12 Enhancment 4 Insight 1 Exceptional 2 Profane 2 Completionist 2 Halfing 2 Eldritch Knight 2 Thief Acrobat 3 Shadow Dodge (Used to be 6, been fixed for a few updates though) 2 Potion of Ability 2 Ship Buff ------------------- 75 Unbuffed (Ships last for 5 hours, Potion of ability for 1 hour.. i have over 4k of them) 2 Yugo 3 alchemical -------- 80 Slightly buffed, mostly during boss fights 2 Bard song -------------- 82 - I multibox, so can buff myself when ever the hell i want for the extra +2 when i want. 1 7 Tome, if i ever get it ------------- 83 3 - Shadow Dodge ----- 86 - Used to be the case, but no longer since shadow dodge is fixed. 6 Epic Destiny tier 1-6 (shiradi is the only destiny worth doing this in and can still get double rainbow) 4 Dexterity Twists 3 Epic Destiny Feats (or is it two.. ~shrug~) ----------------------------- 99 dexterity before shadow dodge change, 96 now max
	« Last Edit: Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:17am by Vendui »

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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #12 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:02am	Print Post
	whoa, Whoa, WHOA! NO FUCKING BODY has an 85 dex, even using every pot, alchmical buff, gear, etc; in the game. max unbuffed is 58...and that assumes you're putting nothing into constitution and using a full ED dex line (i.e. shiradi). whoever is claming that shit is outta control!


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #13 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:08am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:02am: whoa, Whoa, WHOA!� NO FUCKING BODY has an 85 dex, even using every pot, alchmical buff, gear, etc; in the game.� max unbuffed is 58...and that assumes you're putting nothing into constitution and using a full ED dex line (i.e. shiradi).� whoever is claming that shit is outta control! With shadow dodge now only adding +3 not +6, i can hit 92 dex. My current buffable to 82, + 6 from ED tree, +4 from twists. Used to be able to hit 95 (96 with +7 tome) Max with no gear/enhancments/buffs is 34 - 20 base, 7 level ups, 7 tome
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gabrion Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #14 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:10am	Print Post
	Not that it's optimal, but I think you can get higher if willing to splash warlock for "you can not evade me."


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #15 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:11am	Print Post
	"i can hit 92 dex" complete bullshit! lern 2 add, faggot.


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #16 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:13am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:11am: "i can hit 92 dex" complete bullshit! lern 2 add, faggot. you are more than welcome to add up the list i gave ~points up~ and see it is exactly what i said it is. 82 current "max" without spending feats on Epic Dex, and EDP on dex in tier 1-6/twists..


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #17 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:15am	Print Post
	gabrion wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:10am: Not that it's optimal, but I think you can get higher if willing to splash warlock for "you can not evade me." Does warlock get Tensers by lvl 5? if not.. you lose either evasion, or evasion.. and then are restricted to using tenser scrolls every 30 seconds, which sucks but is doable. (Minimum 6 monk for tier 2 core/tier4 stances)


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #18 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:05am	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:57pm: Ill leave your list in-tact, for keepsakes ^-^ Halfing, Looks like i TRd out of the 12monk/8 rogue. its now a 9 rogue/6monk/5 wizard. 20 Base 7 Level ups 6 Tome 4 Windstance 4 Tensers 12 Enhancment 4 Insight 1 Exceptional 2 Profane 2 Completionist 2 Halfing 2 Eldritch Knight 2 Thief Acrobat 3 Shadow Dodge (Used to be 6, been fixed for a few updates though) 2 Potion of Ability 2 Ship Buff ------------------- 75 Unbuffed (Ships last for 5 hours, Potion of ability for 1 hour.. i have over 4k of them) 2 Yugo 3 alchemical -------- 80 Slightly buffed, mostly during boss fights 2 Bard song -------------- 82 - I multibox, so can buff myself when ever the hell i want for the extra +2 when i want. 1 7 Tome, if i ever get it ------------- 83 3 - Shadow Dodge ----- 86 - Used to be the case, but no longer since shadow dodge is fixed. 6 Epic Destiny tier 1-6 (shiradi is the only destiny worth doing this in and can still get double rainbow) 4 Dexterity Twists 3 Epic Destiny Feats (or is it two.. ~shrug~) ----------------------------- 99 dexterity before shadow dodge change, 96 now max Tenser's is alchemical and does not stack with other alchemical bonuses.

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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #19 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:08am	Print Post
	"Tenser's is alchemical and does not stack with other alchemical bonuses." >doesn't understand tenser's >doenst' understand alchemical bonuses stop reading ddowiki and PLAY THE GAME FAGGOT, then make with the yip yap.


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #20 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:11am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:05am: Tenser's is alchemical and does not stack with other alchemical bonuses. Hms.. maybe my potions are special then? Collectable goodie potions, while tensors is on, increases dex by 3. ~shrug~ still, 81 dex current/82 with 7 tome.


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #21 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:12am	Print Post
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doFnCzUxLU8


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #22 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:21am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:02am: whoa, Whoa, WHOA!� NO FUCKING BODY has an 85 dex, even using every pot, alchmical buff, gear, etc; in the game.� max unbuffed is 58...and that assumes you're putting nothing into constitution and using a full ED dex line (i.e. shiradi).� whoever is claming that shit is outta control! Donny, you are out of your element. 5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 24^th, 2015 at 2:55am: Dexterity: 20 base 7 tome 7 level 4 Wind Stance 12 gear 4 insight 1 exceptional 2 profane 2 completionist 2 racial ap 4 Harper ap 2 NSpy ap 2 NSpy capstone 6 ED =75 Standing 4 Tenser's 2 ship 2 yugo 2 store pot =89 Buffed +3 epic dex feats +4 twists +2 bard song =94 Theoretical Max Dex.
	« Last Edit: Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:27am by 5 Foot Step »
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #23 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:23am	Print Post
	fuck you nigger faggot, that assumes a series of mutually excluse benefits!


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: AA Shuriken Reply #24 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:24am	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:11am: Hms.. maybe my potions are special then? Collectable goodie potions, while tensors is on, increases dex by 3. ~shrug~ still, 81 dex current/82 with 7 tome. Yeah, the store pots stack with regardless of whatever they say. But that means you counted it twice.

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