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Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:01pm
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<DDOChatter_55>: and why is "balance" just composed entirely of pure nerfs?
14:41      <Flavilandile>: you didn't plan ahead and went in a way where some changes ( that were bound to happen sooner or later ) ruined your characters.
14:41      <DDOChatter_55>: balance would impy some ups and downs, right?
14:41      <Shindoku>: That's the thing though, people weren't getting creative. They were doing the same builds over and over, so it was the only thing you saw in lfms
14:41      <Vargouille>: Balance is ongoing. There's been a lot of "up" in the past months and years.
14:41      <DDOChatter_55>: some things would get improved, some nerfed; but that never happens...it's all nerfs, all the time
14:42      <Vargouille>: We will freely admit there is more concentrated "down" in this pack of changes, intentionally.
14:42      <HatsuZ>: I remember the days before Armor Up... EVERYONE had a yellow bar and 2 monk levels... creative? Heck no.
14:42      <DDOChatter_55>: a few extra fighter feats is "ups"?
14:42      <HatsuZ>: It's ups for fighters
14:42      <Vargouille>: Reminder that I was talking about the past years.
14:42      <Vargouille>: Not this patch.
14:42      <Shindoku>: Most of the ups came from the prevois enhancement changes
14:42      <DDOChatter_55>: how is that an "up" when you nerf melee dps along with it?
14:42      <DDOChatter_55>: thats a gargantuan net loss.
14:42      Flavilandile *shrug* seems it's that idiot again, he's been rampaging The Vault with his whining for the last week.
14:43      <DDOChatter_55>: oh so, years ago, ther weere ups; so long in fact you can't even remember when.  here on out, it's all downs
14:43      <Vargouille>: We would prefer to nerf less frequently which does mean when we do nerf we prefer to do quite a bit at once.
14:43      <DDOChatter_55>: i'd prefer leaving the game alone!
14:43      <DDOChatter_55>: just...stop
14:43      <Vargouille>: I'm sorry if you don't remember any of the ups. I'm not here to debate a list of them, as that's not really useful.
14:43      <Flavilandile>: just ignore him Varg... he is an attention seeker
14:43      <DDOChatter_55>: consistency, predicrtability, security leads to long term planning
14:44      <DDOChatter_55>: right now i can't even build anything i can be 100% sure won't be nerfed
14:44      <Shindoku>: Is the new holiday event coming with the patch tomorrow?
14:44      <Vargouille>: I can neither confirm nor deny when any events are starting (as I'd be stepping on coworker's toes.)
14:45      <DDOChatter_55>: how about the player's toes?
14:45      <Vargouille>: (Unless they were announced already somewhere that I missed recently. Then I can point at those.)
14:45      <DDOChatter_55>: how do you feel about them?
14:45      <Shindoku>: Lol, I don
14:45      <DDOChatter_55>: no srsly
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:02pm
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<DDOChatter_55>: ripping the guts out of melee and ranged dps in one offing is crazy
14:46      <DDOChatter_55>: what, you want everyone to play some kind of caster or assassin?
14:46      <HatsuZ>: Casters kinda suck right now, actually....
14:46      <FeZn2>: evening, did I miss some crucial info today?
14:46      <HatsuZ>: Warlocks are the new shiradi
14:46      *** FeZn quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
14:46      <DDOChatter_55>: oh, i get it; its a trick!
14:46      <HatsuZ>: Remi, is that you?
14:46      <Vargouille>: We disagree with that analysis, and will keep an eye on things for continued balance as always. We'd not too worried about everyone switching to casters or assassins (who have also complained about balance, of course)
14:47      <DDOChatter_55>: you only want us to THINK playing caters and assasssins is OK because they're getting nerfed next, right?!
14:47      <Flavilandile>: HatsuZ it's not Rem, it's the other one...
14:47      <HatsuZ>: There are more? o.o
14:47      <DDOChatter_55>: oh, they HAVE been nerfed; won't stop you from nerfing again!
14:47      <Flavilandile>: yes... there's two...
14:47      <DDOChatter_55>: in fact, those two character types have gone the longerst without a re-re-nerfing; place your bets!
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:07pm
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<Vargouille>: I'm not sure what kind of response DDOChatter_55 is expecting. Of course we haven't tried to "destroy" anything. I've stated that your analysis seems to not be the same as ours. I'm reading what's written here. There's no reasonable response I can give except "Doesn't seem to be what we're seeing".
15:04      <Spook>: i think its fair to say that AAs are behind tempests right now but i assume thats intended?
15:05      <DDOChatter_55>: the response would be something like: gee REALLY?  it's completely broken and usless?  we'll fix it by (insert date/time coordinates here)
15:05      <Shindoku>: Reaper of Souls fixes a lot of problems and the gameplay is much better. It's still diablo though, if you aren't into repetition don't get it
15:05      <Vargouille>: I'm not certain I understand all the feedback (Archer's Focus is just a prereq for IPS? Huh?) but given how hard this communication is already, hard to want to spend much of my workday trying to figure out what is really meant.
15:05      <DDOChatter_55>: the feat is broken
15:05      <DDOChatter_55>: capisce?
15:05      <Vargouille>: See, here's the thing: I'm not going to assume you are just right, and saying "it's broken" it almost completely worthless feedback.
15:05      <DDOChatter_55>: even the intended changes are not working
15:05      <Vargouille>: So no, no "capisce".
15:05      <Shindoku>: You never clearly explained this before 55
15:06      <DDOChatter_55>: the stacks clear when you move, tumble, or cast a spell
15:06      <DDOChatter_55>: several others have
15:06      <goblean>: there ya go
15:06      <wink>: do we have retards here again?
15:06      <HatsuZ>: It seems to me that the only thing that has been hit really hard is burst DPS for furyshot builds.
15:06      <DDOChatter_55>: all DPS
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:20pm
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HIGHLIGHTS:

14:43      <Vargouille>: We would prefer to nerf less frequently which does mean when we do nerf we prefer to do quite a bit at once.

TRANSLATION: Rape is a brutal, violent, humiliating act, so when we do it, we like to fucking GO FOR IT!


14:41      <Vargouille>: Balance is ongoing. There's been a lot of "up" in the past months and years.
14:42      <Vargouille>: Reminder that I was talking about the past years.
14:42      <Vargouille>: Not this patch.

TRANSMUTATION: It's been years since we improved anyone or anything, so long I can't even remember, but no "balance" does not mean "all nerfs, all the time" it just looks that way because that's all that's been coming down the pipe for the last few years.

15:05      <Vargouille>: I'm not certain I understand all the feedback (Archer's Focus is just a prereq for IPS? Huh?) but given how hard this communication is already, hard to want to spend much of my workday trying to figure out what is really meant.
15:05      <Vargouille>: See, here's the thing: I'm not going to assume you are just right, and saying "it's broken" it almost completely worthless feedback.

TRANSEXUAL: This faggot can't even be bothered to check the known issues list?!  Fuck we are DOOMED!
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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:22pm
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If losing 1 crit range considering all of the other buffs were keeping to be a massive nerf you are retarded and probably should just kill yourself.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:24pm
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I'm losing over 50% DPS this update, apparently, you and the Devs suck balls at basic arithmetic.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:24pm
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Ya. I was looking for a gem of a dev comment and found out that you just have no fucking clue on how to formulate a question or point.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:30pm
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I played it cool last time; going for a different approach.  The results speak for themselves.  C'mon bros, you gotta gimme credit: who else has cornered the devs into saying some stupid shit like THAT?  Even those of you who "hate me" on this forum would buy me a beer and resist the urge to suck my cock if we ever met IRL.

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Reply #8 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:56pm
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15:54      <PatSajak>: The category is" People Who Annoy You"
15:55      <Leroy_Jenky__172>: lol goblean too slow to be believable.
15:55      <PatSajak>: N_GGERS
15:55      <PatSajak>: you have 10 seconds to solve the puzzel
15:55      <Leroy_Jenky__172>: Naggers?
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Reply #9 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:56pm
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Jeebus all the whining about minor nerfs and fixing exploits. Are you too low skilled to master the game without your cookie-cutter-builds that take advantage of loopholes?

I want the game to be balanced and challenging. If all classes are only getting buffed all the time, mobs also have to get buffed. The result is the notorious power creep. But this again leads to whining. <sigh>

I want the game to be challenging and not just a boring grind. I don't mind nerfs and balancing. The weepiness on this board seems even worse than on the official forums. Why do I even visit? No dupes, only trash talk and crying ... can't even remember a rewarding visit of this shithole in month ...
  


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Reply #10 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:58pm
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Varg just HAD to interrupt a good game of Wheel of Fortune.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:16pm
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poor whiny bitch... got kicked again...


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Reply #12 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:20pm
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i'm done with DDO: i'm not going to keep playing cat-n'mouse with these assholes if they're just going to nerf and re-nerf every last decent aspect of the game.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:25pm
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good riddance, chone when going through the door.

  

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wtf is this "chone" thing?
  
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:20pm:
i'm done with DDO: i'm not going to keep playing cat-n'mouse with these assholes if they're just going to nerf and re-nerf every last decent aspect of the game.


Good. Dont let the door hit your backside when you leave.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:59pm
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:24pm:
I'm losing over 50% DPS this update, apparently, you and the Devs suck balls at basic arithmetic.

  

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Reply #18 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:00pm
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can you even think of a time when any one catergory of builds got zapped so hard?
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:03pm
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:28pm:
wtf is this "chone" thing?

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1288717125/0#0
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:07pm
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Oh, c'mon: I'm working the dev team over so hard they say ridiculous things, posting them here for all to share a good laugh, and oyu want me gone?  Srslyfgt?
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:10pm
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Oh, c'mon: I'm working the dev team over so hard they say ridiculous things, posting them here for all to share a good laugh, and oyu want me gone?  Srslyfgt?

You asked, so I showed you what to do.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:12pm
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:24pm:
I'm losing over 50% DPS this update, apparently, you and the Devs suck balls at basic arithmetic.


What melee build is losing 50% DPS on nerfs?  What ranged build?

One of the reasons no one takes you seriously (besides all the venom and hatred in every direction) is that you can't even present your point of view coherently.  It's all cussing and hyperbole and ranting.  It's not persuasive.  Hopefully you are getting some stress out of your system with all these rage posts, but you are never going to convince anyone here that your thoughts are worth hearing, let alone devs, unless you can actually communicate a thought besides "Go drink bleach." or saying something completely exaggerated like "every melee and ranged build is 50% lower in DPS".

  
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Reply #23 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:12pm
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since you're in such a helpful, informative mood: what's the "magic number" I keep hearing about?
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:12pm:
since you're in such a helpful, informative mood: what's the "magic number" I keep hearing about?

500?
  

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