Munkenmo wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:


Nobody buys more than 10-20 timers at a time.  Which they can easily burn through in the 30 days before the new content shows up.  And it's not like nobody will run the old raids after the new content comes out.  The only people who are are bitching are people with 100 plus timers.  Those aren't people spending TP on timers.  That would be 15000 TP worth of timers.  Even if you did want to blow that many TP on timers, you aren't doing it in one sitting, even for their "sale".  Even at their sale price they are still massively overpriced in the economy.  You can get them cheaper from other players by far.  The only people buying timers in bulk (more than 10) aren't doing it from the store. 

This is an overblown excuse and the people making that argument aren't even people who buy timers.

Artorias wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

Currently:
Raid Timers available for TP, in daily dice rolls

New Proposal:
Raid Timers available for TP, in daily dice rolls
Legendary Raid Timers available for TP, in daily dice rolls, in chests(rarely)

Doesn't sound like a "new" cash grab to me.  Sounds like the same old cash grab that has been around for 3 years now.

Asheras wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:


The drop rates in MoD are so so on EH (still pretty low). EN is a joke and not worth the time spent, never mind about a timer (even duped). I see a bigger problem with MoD being that any item that drops hardly ever goes for roll as people loot anything that looks shiny even if a month down the line they will trash it because they can't use it. 20th lists become really desirable due to this.

DoJ on the other hand, has its own issues with drop rates. They are reasonably good, where even on EN you can expect drops, so burning through timers while on ransack, while pointless to many, has the added advantage of items maybe going for rolls in the first few days as some people still haven't figured out what items they are truly after.

Quite sad when you see a Rogue Mechanic looting Precision goggles or a Wizard screaming at you in fury because you gave away strength boots/deadly gloves to a melee, because reasons.

A more refined solution for this entire timer problem would be to either make raid timers shorter or increase required time of completion of raids from 10-20 minutes to 40+ but that would be very un-Turdbine like

Asheras wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:22pm:

not true. I would buy stack of a hundred when I first started playing. They would be gone in a month. On one toon.

This might stretch the content for anyone who cannot drop 50 bucks on TP. But mostly everyone that I know won't be stopped from decreasing the content longevity, if they really want the items.

I'm sure jizz gargling fags like deadlock will think it is pure coincidence that timers were on sale a few days before the announcement. But that guy doesnt really get how shit works in life. If people knew legendary timers were coming then no one would buy the old timers. because there is no need. this was devs way of pre-milking the saps before planting udder suckers on them and putting them in stalls for more milking. I'm sure Sev will say the "timing" was his fault but it wasnt planned. Just like the 20 hearts lol. And deadlock will come in like Puffy with his two-bit hypeman routine "yeah, yeah, take that, take that"

I just don't like the idea of raid timers in general. There is no reason to put a raid or a quest on a timer. Ransack penalty is acceptable as a limitation. Just make them like regular quests with no timer and no 20 time completion reward.

The whole timer and bypass concept is designed as a money maker. One that duping has short circuited. Turbine wants to re-establish a revenue stream in timers for its new raids. I wont be buying any.

As to people saying how this screws over anyone who bought the recently on sale timer bypasses. Well they had a helping hand in screwing themselves I would say. Even on sale they were a worse value than on the (canith) shard exchange.

I would guess that turbine hardly sold any bypasses on this recent "sale".

Rubbinns wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:



It's a matter of Marketing...

Players : Kobold do not want Timer.
Dev Team : OK no problem we kill Timers for Legendary ( because we don't want to take the risk of breaking something in the Spaghetti code we will not kill old timers )
MarketDroid : Oh, here comes a great opportunity, We can sell a new item that will go fast into bestseller range... it's going to beat the Mirror.
Marketdroid to Devs : You WILL make new timers just for Legendary. That's a great opportunity to make lots of money and keep the game going for a bit longer.
Devs : But but, players do not want, and overall they are right it's bad for the game long term survivability.
Marketdroid : We don't care if the game survive 10 more years, make timers, they will sell, we will make money with them in the next two or 3 quarters...

Le Sigh, Turbine, Powered by the Excel Sheet of Marketdroids.

Flav wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 5:23am:


Pretty much that, but that's the normal in any buissnes, they can do it because people buy into it, if people waste less time complaining about it and just didn't buy into they would be fucked, but my experience tell me that are precisely those idiots who complain in forums or here who buy into it just to look cool in the game.

So at the end of the day is player base fault, just like a woman who's abused by her husband but don't dare to break with him, sure you can tell he's a fuckwit but sure you can call her idiot 

Flav wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 5:23am:



The flaw in your logic is this:

Quote:


You are wrong.  There are a good percentage of players that DO want timers.  If the entire base was unified, as you suggest, that would be one thing.  But Turbine is hearing players want timers.  They did 4 years ago and they do today. 

The problem Turbine has is that there are 3 opinions on this front:

1) Some players want the current situation:  Ubiquitous timers.  Everyone who wants to can have stacks of 100 laying around at no real world cost.

2) Some players want timers, but they want it like it was pre-duping/carding.  Timers exist but are uncommon/valuable.  You don't toss them away when ransacked if a raid has a decent drop rate.  If you spend a timer you are playing to completion because the timer was too valuable to give up if you lag wipe. 

3) Some players want to go back to pre-2012.  No timers.  You run raids every 3 days and you do raid trains and track when your toons are off timer and plan your game times accordingly. 

So, you have 3 player groups with different opinions.  Two extremes and a "middle ground".  Now, let's look at revenue earned from raid timers in each scenario:

1)  Low Revenue
2)  High Revenue
3)  No Revenue

So, Turbine can take the middle ground and maximize profits.  Give me a valid reason why they would choose option 1 or 3, given that players are divided and there is a revenue opportunity. 

You make it sound like Turbine is putting money over players.  As a player who likes and uses raid timers (100 or so in the past 3 months), I disagree.  I would be very upset if Turbine did away with timers entirely. 

Chillax guys, there has not been any trivial doopin method in the last 6-7 months so it is only appropriate that 1 should kick in soon, taking Turbine right back to the start of the problem.
Again...

I feel like raid timers are a fine way to monetize the game. People complain about cash grabs, but you forget that servers cost money. Developers(even bad ones) cost money. Maybe if the game made more money they could afford to hire better developers.

Point being: all the ways they could be monetizing the game, raid timer bypasses are a good one. Compare to PvP games that sell better items than you can possibly obtain in-game. Or selling items so ridiculously hard to obtain in-game that no one has ever gotten one(picture something with the drop rate of a Shard of the Red Dragon... that has to be obtained 1000+ times)

AtomicMew wrote on Aug 3^rd, 1974 at 10:17am:



People bought timers? Thought everyone had stacks of these got from "lucky" DD rolls

Flav wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

doesnt even matter. never has for turbine. not since I've been here