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Vargouille lights the fanboi signal.
Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:04pm
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After getting just swamped with people complaining about and picking apart his Xp revamp has been forced into trying to summon legions of Fanbois and Paladins to rise up and protect their overlord:



Vargouille wrote: Quote:
Thanks for the feedback. We're likely going to reconsider just how flat the curve will be, though we do want more than ~24 hours for players to give feedback before we make any firm decisions. (If you have been quietly preferring the proposed flat "curve", speak up now and be heard!)


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/467833-Update-29-Level-30-Overview/pag...
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Re: Vargouille lights the fanboi signal.
Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:34pm
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After getting just swamped with people complaining about and picking apart his Xp revamp has been forced into trying to summon legions of Fanbois and Paladins to rise up and protect their overlord:



Vargouille wrote:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/467833-Update-29-Level-30-Overview/pag...


You left out the part about how their new plan incentivizes people to not play epic levels for a while if they won't make it to the next level.

Given that this was overlooked on their part, I doubt that they will keep it as is, no matter how many paladins show up to support the original concept.
  
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Re: Vargouille lights the fanboi signal.
Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:49pm
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Asheras wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:34pm:
You left out the part about how their new plan incentivizes people to not play epic levels for a while if they won't make it to the next level.

I just don't have the stomach for a trip to the motherboards, would you explain this one?
  
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Re: Vargouille lights the fanboi signal.
Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:53pm
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I don't know if he is summoning Fan Boys so much as reacting to past experience when the forum seemed overwhelmingly of one opinion then after the devs made a change to reflect that opinion People came out against that change.

The result may well be a summon Fanboy spell was cast, but I really think they feel the damed if you do damned if you dont syndrome concerning the forums. Varg wants to have something to point to and say, "Why didn't you speak up earlier."
  
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Re: Vargouille lights the fanboi signal.
Reply #4 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:08pm
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Endlessorrow wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:53pm:
Varg wants to have something to point to and say, "Why didn't you speak up earlier."

Technically, it's a Summon Fanboi spell. They only cast it when opinion is against what the devs have decided they will do. If opinion is in favor, no such spells are cast.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:11pm
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Endlessorrow wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:53pm:
I don't know if he is summoning Fan Boys so much as reacting to past experience when the forum seemed overwhelmingly of one opinion then after the devs made a change to reflect that opinion People came out against that change.

The result may well be a summon Fanboy spell was cast, but I really think they feel the damed if you do damned if you dont syndrome concerning the forums. Varg wants to have something to point to and say, "Why didn't you speak up earlier."



Sorrow? That is some grade A bullshit. Total and utter bullshit. Good to see you're not breaking character.
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Reply #6 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:11pm
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After getting just swamped with people complaining about and picking apart his Xp revamp has been forced into trying to summon legions of Fanbois and Paladins to rise up and protect their overlord:



Vargouille wrote:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/467833-Update-29-Level-30-Overview/pag...



That is a terrible way to seek unbiased feedback.
You can smell the butt hurt that no-one likes his pet project.
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Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:16pm
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Meursault wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
I just don't have the stomach for a trip to the motherboards, would you explain this one?



As usual Ash being a half of a fanboi himself decided to misinterpret the exchanges, here it is, btw using the fucking link next time.

Vag wrote: Quote:
Toxxxyk wrote Quote:
Quote Originally Posted by Toxxyk  View Post
Instead, you should recalculate the xp, so that if I'm 90% done level 25, when I log in after the expansion, I'm 90% done level 25. There are no downsides to this over what you've proposed.


Since a couple of people have brought this up:

There is a major downside to this proposal: Players are strongly incentivized to stop playing DDO right now, this instant, because this unfairly rewards XP to those who happen to have stopped getting XP at a particular time/level.

Under this proposal, anyone who has exactly enough XP to gain level 22 should probably stop playing, especially if they think they won't hit level 23 before Update 29 comes out (maybe stop playing today, maybe in a week, etc.), or maybe get some alts up to exactly level 22 (or 21 or 23 or whatever breakpoint you think makes sense). Otherwise they are "wasting their time" because instead of playing they could just wait and get "free XP" for choosing to not play DDO.

While we will probably consider a more gently sloped curve, the same issue is likely to be there in some form. There's really no world in which we want to explicitly reward not playing the game. (Considering it's entirely fair to ask each character to earn the same amount of XP to earn the same levels, ultimately, we're willing to deal with the downsides, which we do recognize as being real downsides.)
  
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Re: Vargouille lights the fanboi signal.
Reply #8 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:17pm
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Yeah, this:
Revaulting wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
Technically, it's a Summon Fanboi spell. They only cast it when opinion is against what the devs have decided they will do. If opinion is in favor, no such spells are cast.



and this:
PersonaNonGrata wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:11pm:
That is a terrible way to seek unbiased feedback.
You can smell the butt hurt that no-one likes like pet project.


If they actually:
A)Regularly asked for feedback this way
and
B)Listened (not necessarily followed, but listened and at least give an honest explanation why they didn't follow it)

then this would be reasonable. But they don't, so it's just another slimy VagOil population manipulation ploy.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:57pm
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There's really no world in which we want to explicitly reward not playing the game.

Someone should tell him about XP stones.
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:59pm
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Revaulting wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:57pm:
Someone should tell him about XP stones.


OMG, so funny! I peed a little.

Anyone have a active mobo sock? Revault's line MUST BE POSTED with the Varg quote. Make it happen people.
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Reply #11 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:13pm
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Grand wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:59pm:
OMG, so funny! I peed a little.

Anyone have a active mobo sock? Revault's line MUST BE POSTED with the Varg quote. Make it happen people.


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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:07am
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Soulless187 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:13pm:
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Infraction ETA?
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:22am
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Galadriel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:07am:
Infraction ETA?



Well...ill post it when it happens...morning would be my guess when  jerry rolls his ass out of bed looking for last nights left over doughnuts and pizza
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:08am
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Soulless187 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:22am:
Well...ill post it when it happens...morning would be my guess when  jerry rolls his ass out of bed looking for last nights left over doughnuts and pizza


I had an all-too-vivid picture of Jerry doing this in my mind right now. Thanks for making me laugh my ass off.
  
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Re: Vargouille lights the fanboi signal.
Reply #15 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:15am
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Revaulting wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:57pm:
Someone should tell him about XP stones.

This lol
  
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The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means.

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Reply #16 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:26am
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As usual Ash being a half of a fanboi himself decided to misinterpret the exchanges, here it is, btw using the fucking link next time.

Vag wrote:

Since a couple of people have brought this up:

There is a major downside to this proposal: Players are strongly incentivized to stop playing DDO right now, this instant, because this unfairly rewards XP to those who happen to have stopped getting XP at a particular time/level.

Under this proposal, anyone who has exactly enough XP to gain level 22 should probably stop playing, especially if they think they won't hit level 23 before Update 29 comes out (maybe stop playing today, maybe in a week, etc.), or maybe get some alts up to exactly level 22 (or 21 or 23 or whatever breakpoint you think makes sense). Otherwise they are "wasting their time" because instead of playing they could just wait and get "free XP" for choosing to not play DDO.

While we will probably consider a more gently sloped curve, the same issue is likely to be there in some form. There's really no world in which we want to explicitly reward not playing the game. (Considering it's entirely fair to ask each character to earn the same amount of XP to earn the same levels, ultimately, we're willing to deal with the downsides, which we do recognize as being real downsides.)
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I wasn't trying to be a fanboi.  I misunderstood what Varg was talking about.  I thought there was something in the current TURBINE proposal that would incentivize players to not play.  But that's not the case.  A PLAYER proposal would create that incentive and Varg was responding as to why they wouldn't do that. 

In reading his post, I thought the comments about incentivizing players to not play were related to them looking at the XP curve.  They are not.  It's two different things. 

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Reply #17 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:28am
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There's really no world in which we want to explicitly reward not playing the game unless we are making money from it.


Here is the correct version of what Varg meant.
  
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Soulless187 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:13pm:
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Reply #19 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:24pm
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As usual Ash being a half of a fanboi himself decided to misinterpret the exchanges, here it is, btw using the fucking link next time.

Vag wrote: Quote:
Since a couple of people have brought this up:

There is a major downside to this proposal: Players are strongly incentivized to stop playing DDO right now, this instant, because this unfairly rewards XP to those who happen to have stopped getting XP at a particular time/level.

Under this proposal, anyone who has exactly enough XP to gain level 22 should probably stop playing, especially if they think they won't hit level 23 before Update 29 comes out (maybe stop playing today, maybe in a week, etc.), or maybe get some alts up to exactly level 22 (or 21 or 23 or whatever breakpoint you think makes sense). Otherwise they are "wasting their time" because instead of playing they could just wait and get "free XP" for choosing to not play DDO.

While we will probably consider a more gently sloped curve, the same issue is likely to be there in some form. There's really no world in which we want to explicitly reward not playing the game. (Considering it's entirely fair to ask each character to earn the same amount of XP to earn the same levels, ultimately, we're willing to deal with the downsides, which we do recognize as being real downsides.)

Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense now.
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:11pm
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half a fanboi - half a brain.  tomato - potato.
  
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Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Well no infraction and no pm from jerry...just ignored, some one posted a +1...meh I wanted more popcorn from this Sad
  
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Soulless187 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Well no infraction and no pm from jerry...just ignored, some one posted a +1...meh I wanted more popcorn from this

Truth usually riles them up something fierce, too.
  
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