What a farce.
"Yes, the maths I used to justify my decision is wrong, but the decision remains."

The player's post lays it out clearly and makes a good case.
How can they ignore good advice like this?

gibbon wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 4:20pm:


Lol.  I think what steel star meant was that he made an error in his post because he was typing a quick response.   Not that their overall plan was for the feat to give +10 MCL to make sure other stuff that boosts MCL is valuable was based on faulty math.

I think the point being made, that +10 is too low, is valid however.  I think +15 is better from an overall value perspective.   This is an easy way to boost damage and make spells more mana efficient.  I'm ok with a cap, just not sure that they put it at the right point. 

Asheras wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:28pm:


I don't even have a dog in this fight - I have no casters at the moment that I care to play - but I seriously question a need for a MCL in epic levels. That would be like putting a max cap on the number of added damage dice for weapons in the game (roughly equivalent in that both are the base damage number). If I pick up extra feats to add more [w] on a melee/ranged toon then they all stack. There's not an upper limit to that damage. I understand the need for MCL pre-Epic and like how they've added options to raise it. I just don't think I see any reason they couldn't comfortably lift the MCL in epic levels and it's not going to make casters unreasonably good.

Uncapped MCLs on all spells would be too big a leap.  Imagine 2s cooldown AoEs that crit for 10,000 damage.  I like the approach of uncapping certain weaker spells to get some spell variety in.

There are - disintegrate and FoD if I remember right

LordHumungus wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:02pm:

noooooooooooooo.  Do not give them ideas

Darkrok wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

That's not really a good analogy because melee damage doesn't go up with every class level.   If you gained 1[w] every fighter level that would be equivalent to what spells do. 

They have caster level bumps all over the place in addition to the native class levels.  The MCL was the gatekeeper on the spells.  If they just remove it with 1 feat then it invalidates any gear that bumps MCL and any class specific features that bump mcl, which removes value.  If they cap it, then those items and class features retain value and they can control the damage scaling and offer more MCL bump items in the future.  Going uncapped destroys a lot of value now and removes any ability to offer more in the future.

I can still see the argument for raising that cap a little bit though Ash; your point doesn't detract from the OPs that Steelstar basically agreed that the cap is too low, and then stated that they were going to go ahead with it at that level anyway.

There were others in the thread arguing for a lower cap, but for the increased cap to apply to all spells of the element/school, which I could also see.

Asheras wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 11:16am:


I like this idea. The numbers would require some tweaking but they are more or less within a good range.

Feel like posting it and hoping that somebody listens?

totally wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 10:39am:



These people arguing for nerfing something that hasn't launched yet, and they didn't test themselves on Lamma just make me roll my eyes. They don't seem to understand that this is end game, where the toons will top out and that legendary will be seriously ugly, so shut up and wait and see if it's OP don't shit on it before it's live just so you can sound like some hardcore player. If anything they should be pushing for power because no matter what Turbine comes out with they will nerf it in the future, sometimes it seems like building a mobo 'image' is the only game these fuckwits play anymore.

AtomicMew wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:


I would support this as well.  The issue I have with the feat is that it will create a situation where 3 spells are markedly better than anything else.  If I want to cast the same 3 spells over and over again for  maximum effect, I can do that now as a Shiradi Spammer.