Without mortal fear what is the choice now, I have been testing each one on Lamma and in the field almost nothing lands or has any impact.

Burning emptiness tends to make you switch it out. Too many mobs heal from fire & neg. And when they're not healing, they're immune. It would be a better enhancement without the vorpal effect, Imo.

I haven't tested how vulnerability stacks between 1st & 3rd degree burns, but the damage of 3rd by itself is clearly inferior to Crippling flames.

Mortal fear might still be your best all-around option.

wogoflove wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:



That's Dragon's Edge it is tier 2.

Third degree burns is the best bet I think. the vulnerability applies to more than just fire for some reason and the things immune to fire will start taking some fire damage. There are nowhere near as many things healed by fire as negative so it is much more usable.

Mortal Fear is still pretty good for the force damage as force is the least resistable element in the game.

Draconic Reinvigoration if you want more boosts.

Crippling Flames if you want to reduce non-boss mob hp a but using the negative leveling. Fire damage is kind of meh.

Burning Emptiness for fire/negative damage on vorpal/crit. As above, fire is so so and negative heals undead.

Pick your poison based on the content you run the most.

Also wtf, how come tier 2 abilities are weaker than 1st degree burns?

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:54am:


try naming the tier 2 u think of?

Draconic revigoration already is the best in slot for most cases, and will be even better. Mortal fear only helps builds that can make the mob helpless and only effect it will do will be heelping you kill the mob a couple seconds faster.

Nothing increases more your dps than having an extra double boost of 30% haste/ 20% damage.

Asheras wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:02am:


What does draconic reinvigoration and clickies have to do with each other or am I missing something?

Starkjade wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:39am:


This.  I was referring to active enhancements or feats that require clicking on them to make them work.  Like Haste boost, Damage boost, skill boost, etc.

Well TWF can still go with a Mortal Fear and something else...

*wondering what to put in The Kender second weapon for T3... and considering crippling flam or burning emptyness*

Vaultaccount wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:40am:



Read above.  I forget to click on them reliably.  Also, when do I need them?

In EE doj, I don't need to boost during the beginning fights or the 5 reinforcement waves.  Things drop quickly enough to keep up without them.  They are needed during the 2-3 10 reinforcement waves.  But once for the executioners and once for the reinforcements (maybe twice, depending on how much DPS we have) and that is 6-9 boosts.  Then you have the 5 wave.  No need to boost for that.  It has no end time. 

For the final fight, 4-5 boosts is more than sufficent.  It doesn't last that long.  If it does, more boosts aren't going to help all that much.

In EE MoD,  2 boosts east or west is good.  2-3 on the Abbott. 4 or so on the death knights.  That leaves 3-4 for the final abbott beat down.  You are fine.

EE Deathwyrm.  Don't need boosts till the final fight.  Use one per Phylactery attack.  Depends how many rounds that goes if you run out of boosts, but if you use 6 or less, you have plenty for the final beat down on Aurg.

EE Peaks.  Here you can run out.  I'll give you that.  Everything has a shit ton of HP. 

Not sure it's a big enough deal, though, to craft something that costs 30 phlogs to get.  Vs. getting an extra 30-40 force damage per hit, on average, the entire time.

Looking at HoX, would I kill 12 boosts in there?  Probably not.  It is not a DPS raid.  Tempest Spine? There are so many shrines.  I doubt it will be an issue.  Shroud? Again.  Shrine after each phase.  Should be fine.  Maybe Part 5 is an issue.  But I kinda doubt it. 

I think the need for extra boosts is cool, but it might be a bit overblown.  I'd rather have BE.   

It sounds to me like you might be boosting just for the sake of boosting rather than boosting strategically when the party needs the extra help.

Galadriel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 11:40am:


I would definitely rather grind out Double Dragons than Wyrm.  Faster and more fun.  But the side loot in Wyrm is better, imo.  Like the Dumathoins and the Harness. 

I can't believe we just filled an entire page concerning a major game mechanic with logical, factual, and helpful information given in pleasant discourse among other valued players without fanboi attacks, rhetoric, strawman arguments, and bans. It's so refreshing over here in The Vault.

I'd like to think I was wise or just goddamn lucky. when I returned to the game after a 2 year hiatus and got the Thunderholm pack, I researched and planned out my weapons for my rogue, barbarian and druid. I also have a monk but he has now been relegated to mule duties. When I made my complete kukris I considered going dagger spec, but I chose to go with slashing instead of piercing. More enemies don't have resistance to slashing so I traded the dagger +1 crit X'r for kukris. I made an all fear weapon, then a 1st degree burns, dragons edge & crippling flames weapon. I made my 3rd weapon with the idea I would need a swap weapon as a boss beater or if my fire weapons would be counterproductive. So I made an all negative enrgy weapon with Touch of Shadows, Wrath of Shadows Burning Emptiness which is really effective in the Archons pack. While I'm not happy with the implementation of many things including this invalidation to MF, I am happy I already made myself a backup.

Which leads me to my next question. It has been confirmed ML LGS will be 26. Will this be the blank or after full augmentation? Because if it's ML 26 after being completed, not only will we have legendary weapons available by the time we complete Eveningstar, but we have just invalidated not just Thunderforged, but Necro 4 gear & many other pieces as well. But I believe the devs have also promised us it will be a long road in this new formula of "endgame". content. So whatever gear we make to get those items shouldn't be trashed before the new shinies are even released.

I now have a new theory. Because of duping and other "workarounds", Turbine can't hold players hostage with items, plat, astral shards, even farming for TP anymore. But now they got your toon and the hard work you've put into your toon is now being held hostage. They can make changes as they see fit, take away what they plan to give back to you at a later date at the cost of another grind. This is all they have left. So if there is one thing I have learned it's these key things. Plan ahead. Take what you can, when you can and exploit intelligently. This is what Turbine has done to the players. We should meet this business attitude in kind.