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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:54am	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/468540-Divine-might-progressively-gett... Severlin says: Quote: Let's say your Paladin can get 50 Charisma for a total bonus of +20 Insight bonus to Strength, and that bonus has enough up time that it is effectively on all the time. Let's also say that top gear provides a non-stacking +7 Insight bonus to Strength. If you are asking me if it is worth it to take a second tier enhancement that gives me nearly 100% uptime of +13 Strength then yeah, that's still very very good, especially at second tier. It's better than many tier 5s. Sev~ MoBo poster is upset because Divine Might is an Insight bonus to Strength of your Charisma modifier. Since you can now get up to +7 insight bonuses on gear, he feels like any Charisma on a pally of 24 or less ls wasted. KtA also comes up, but that is a bonus to damage, not to a stat. Thus it is not affected by the new gear changes. Also in the thread it is mentioned that DM and KtA can both be active at the same time. Sev's Reply: Quote: The fact that they stack is a bug. (Players should probably not be able to take both, but we haven't discussed specifics on how we'd fix that.) Sev~


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Ginger_Walri Titan Demolisher Offline Fire. Die In It. Posts: 325 Joined: Apr 11^th, 2014	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #1 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 10:08am	Print Post
	I always saw having divine might as a reason not to have insightful strength anywhere on my gear, apparently I'm wrong and should cry more about non-stacking insight bonuses.


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Bigdickrichguy Horoluth Raider Offline I'm gunna put my dick<br />in your vag.<br /> Posts: 2096 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #2 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	It should be a divine bonus to strength


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Tempesthawk Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 12 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2012	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #3 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:35pm	Print Post
	OP of that thread is likely DevilYouKnow/Peshes what do you expect?


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #4 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	Tempesthawk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:35pm: OP of that thread is likely momy what do you expect?�
	« Last Edit: Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:58pm by yardarm_ »

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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1810 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #5 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	Quote: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/468540-Divine-might-progressively-gett... Severlin says: If you are asking me if it is worth it to take a second tier enhancement that gives me nearly 100% uptime of +13 Strength then yeah, that's still very very good, especially at second tier. It's better than many tier 5s. I've been trying to work out why this annoyed me, despite me not really giving a shit about the change itself because I find my Pal boring. It's the deliberate lack of context. Yes, a Pal Tier 2 ability is nice, but it exists in the context of Pal overall. You can't just compare one ability at one tier with another, and claim proxy nerfing one is okay because it's weaker than another. Some of the Tier 1s are nice compared to other Tier 1s, but in the context of their class they're appropriate. I think he knows this and is engaged in asshattery. Asshat.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #6 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:31pm: It should be a divine bonus to strength Actually, it should work like KtA and be a divine bonus straight to damage. Not to Strength. What if the Pally is using Charisma, or Int, or Dex as the damage stat? It's too limiting and it competes with insightful strength items.


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string table error, tableDID Stormreaver Piker Offline ah......fresh meat Posts: 743 Location: Boredville Joined: Dec 9^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #7 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 3:45am	Print Post
	Tempesthawk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:35pm: OP of that thread is likely DevilYouKnow/Peshes what do you expect?� He is, wouldn't be able to pretend to be someone else for three consecutive posts.
	« Last Edit: Dec 9^th, 2015 at 3:46am by string table error, tableDID »
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #8 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 4:15am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 4:21pm: Actually, it should work like KtA and be a divine bonus straight to damage.� Not to Strength.� What if the Pally is using Charisma, or Int, or Dex as the damage stat? It's too limiting and it competes with insightful strength items. While I agree with you, last time I bought this up, people were moaning that it was a nerf because of the loss to tactical DC's.

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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #9 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 7:17am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 4:15am: While I agree with you, last time I bought this up, people were moaning that it was a nerf because of the loss to tactical DC's. It can always be coded like KtA. The current DM is full Cha mod as Insight Str. KtA: Half of Int mod to damage & tactical DC. DM: Half of Cha mod to damage & tactical DC. I suppose this would be a benefit to all Str focused tactical DC specced builds as they can now have Insight Str and DM to DC. I'm not seeing how this results in a loss of tactical DC.
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apep Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 244 Joined: Apr 11^th, 2011	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #10 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:19am	Print Post
	Galadriel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 7:17am: It can always be coded like KtA. The current DM is full Cha mod as Insight Str. KtA: Half of Int mod to damage & tactical DC. DM: Half of Cha mod to damage & tactical DC. I suppose this would be a benefit to all Str focused tactical DC specced builds as they can now have Insight Str and DM to DC. I'm not seeing how this results in a loss of tactical DC. It would no longer stack with combat mastery items, which also give an Insight bonus to tactical DCs. It would also have other catastrophic side-effects, like decreasing the character's swim score.


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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #11 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:55am	Print Post
	apep wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:19am: It would no longer stack with combat mastery items, which also give an Insight bonus to tactical DCs. Ah yes, you're right. That would decrease the DC by 2-3 points total. Combat mastery can always be changed to competence so it still stacks with the base type DC and insight mechanics.


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davenot Ex Member	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #12 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Hello Pesh, waffen, etc...


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taco Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 31 Joined: Jan 11^th, 2015	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #13 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 11:17pm	Print Post
	Ginger_Walri wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 10:08am: I always saw having divine might as a reason not to have insightful strength anywhere on my gear, apparently I'm wrong and should cry more about non-stacking insight bonuses. Pretty much, there's what enhancement/insightful/quality/profane bonuses to stats now. Screw trying to fit in all those for cha, str, tactics and whatever else. All they really need to do is finally give us a melee charisma item, the new +14/+7/+2 system means there's another 7 cha(+3.5 str mod) available over what we have now for DM while insightful str only went up by three.


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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #14 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:32am	Print Post
	apep wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:19am: It would also have other catastrophic side-effects, like decreasing the character's swim score. LOL


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #15 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:52am	Print Post
	Galadriel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 7:17am: It can always be coded like KtA. The current DM is full Cha mod as Insight Str. KtA: Half of Int mod to damage & tactical DC. DM: Half of Cha mod to damage & tactical DC. I suppose this would be a benefit to all Str focused tactical DC specced builds as they can now have Insight Str and DM to DC. I'm not seeing how this results in a loss of tactical DC. That's a nerf to THF pally, because no STRx1.5

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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Divine Might and New Insight Stat bonuses Reply #16 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:13am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:52am: That's a nerf to THF pally, because no STRx1.5 Damqge wise, yes I agree with you. That wasn't the subject of the discussion however.


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