no. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 6:00pm:


I really don't think it matters how you or Psuedo define loot.  It only matters how Turbine defines it.  They are the game developer. 

They have established the precedent with guild renown tokens being in the chest and not tradable for years.  No one bitched then and said "Everything in the chest is loot and all loot should be tradable".  People asked why you can't trade them and Turbine said, those are rewards that are only for the guild you are in when you complete the run.  Trading them would potentially transfer that reward to another guild that didn't earn it.   

They are saying the same thing here.  Those runes are a reward (not loot.  A reward) for the account that completed the run.  Trading them would transfer said reward to another account that did not earn it.

Turbine has decided that not everything in the chest is tradable loot.  They did this over 4 years ago.  Now all of the sudden people are coming out of the woodwork saying "Everything in the chest is tradable loot."  Even though that comment is factually incorrect. 

And the only benefit that making them tradable would provide is being able to get faster access to 20th rewards than intended.  I've still yet to see a good reason why multi-boxers should be able to get to 20th rewards faster than everyone else.

I still say they shouldn't be in the chest.  Because it introduces the possibility of completions where you can't access the chest resulting in wasted runs.  That's a mess.

no. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:


This is the best argument that I have seen so far for making them tradable.
If it could get vet players to go back and help newer players, it would be good.  But would it be enough motivation to get vet players to do that?  Are they all driven by altruistic motivations?

PersonaNonGrata wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:


"Money isn't the route of all Evil. Lack of money is the route of all Evil."
- Gene Simmons

So no, they aren't motivated by altruism.

More like "Enlightened Self Interest" because keeping the player base populated and helping newbs and gimps become less gimpy ultimately helps themselves.

I was a fucking miser until I discovered how to get ingredients to "breed in captivity."

Now,  if there was a "Pass All" or "Redistribute All" button I'd just click it and FO.

Take that for what it's worth.

Edit: Gene Simmons is a fucking idiot, but that's a good quote.

no. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:


Yes.  Some people bitched about guild renown not being tradable to another guild, even though, conceptually, it makes no sense.  What you do earns renown for your guild.  Not some other guild.  Lebron James' scoring 60 points in a game enhances his reputation and the Cleveland Cavaliers reputation.  It does not enhance my reputation just because I happened to be sitting in the building watching it.   

I would define loot as stuff players find during the course of questing. 

But, just because it is in a chest doesn't make it loot.  Loot is found in end reward lists, saga reward lists, on the ground in purple bags or little yellow coins, etc. 

Turbine has long mixed loot with game rewards.  Game rewards are things like XP stones and guild renown.  You can get these in saga rewards with actual loot.  You can get these rewards in end reward lists with actual loot.  And you can get them in chests with actual loot.  Turbine delivers both loot and game rewards mixed together in several of their delivery methods.  I would consider challenge mats and revels mats as loot.  They are delivered in the same manner as quest XP.  Automatically, at completion.  Quest XP is not loot.

So, to say "everything in the chest is loot" is naive and obtuse.  Just as everything in the end reward list is not loot.  Nor is everything in the saga list.  Nor is everything in the daily dice.  Nor is everything in the auto-grant on completion.  That has not been the case in this game. 

Philosophically, I do not believe that guild renown, quest completions, or XP are loot.  They are individual rewards earned by the player through game play and should not be transferred to another player to give them rewards for something they did not do.   

It's OK to disagree.  I can see how some players would like for newer/less advanced players to be given a bunch of rewards to catch up to older players or for you to help your guildies and give them your rewards or to multi box and consolidate your rewards on one account.  It would also be helpful to be able give my XP away to another player when running a quest at cap on a triple completionist.  Should we start doing that? 

Some people would also like it if the US Government gave everyone $100,000.00.  That would make them happy right now.  It doesn't mean it would be a good idea for the long term health of the economy or the country's long term existence. 

Try to think stuff through.  The idea of trading completions to other accounts causes more long term harm than good.