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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #25 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	huh, before F2P? that explains why I didn't notice anything then XD


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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #26 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	goddamnit YaBB..


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1810 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #27 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:06pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:46pm: Their iconic goals for the game seem to be the driving factor.� That being the case, they should have released gnomes with a human or drow iconic caster class.� It's not like they HAD to release an iconic gnome with the gnome race.� A Red Wizard of Thay human iconic or a Archmage of Sorcere Drow Iconic would have been cool.� The drow one would play nicely with the recent FR storyline about Demogorgon being released by drow wizards into the underdark. � All good stuff. TBH the races is one of the few things they've got left I'd shell out for, and I'm not even fussy about new graphics. Just adds more flavour to building which is 50% of what keeps me here. They could release what you've said, racial elves, dwarves, orcs, etc. as well and I'd likely buy them all.
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Mr Reilly Stormreaver Piker Offline They're all gonna laugh at me. Posts: 673 Joined: Sep 22^nd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #28 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	If they release a dwarven iconic I would expect it to be Duergar with +2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, and �4 Charisma. I'm not sure what halfling race would get, but I imagine best class would be monk. They'll probably make them barbarians though.

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Gringo Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 881 Location: Prague, Europe Joined: Nov 22^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #29 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:14pm	Print Post
	Mr Reilly wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:07pm: If they release a dwarven iconic I would expect it to be Duergar with +2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, and �4 Charisma. I'm not sure what halfling race would get, but I imagine best class would be monk.� They'll probably make them barbarians though. actually Halfling barbarian would be eberron lorewise:) well if raptor steed is included:)


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #30 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Mr Reilly wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:07pm: If they release a dwarven iconic I would expect it to be Duergar with +2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, and �4 Charisma. I'm not sure what halfling race would get, but I imagine best class would be monk.� They'll probably make them barbarians though. I'd like to see them get away from needing to make the skins too different for the Iconics. To me, the Iconic is more of a "well known in lore" build. They don't have to be physically different races from the base races. Just a specific faction. Humans for example could be: Harper Bard (or Ranger) Red Wizard of Thay Order of the Yellow Rose Monk Tribe of the Elk (Icewind Dale) Barbarian None of which would need different racial skins. Maybe slight modifications to hairstyles, facial hair and such. But custom armor would be more important. For me, personally, the PDK would be better if it was a regular human appearance. It makes me not want to play one, except for the IPL. I find the Shadar-Kai to be similarly limiting. The Bladeforged, I enjoy and the Morninglord is so close to elf it doesn't matter.


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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #31 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	Well that's just great, stupid fuckers.


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FranOhmsford Dragon Raider Offline Rule Britannia Posts: 249 Location: Cannock Chase Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #32 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	You all know I'm sure that I feel Svirfneblin should have base class either Cleric or Druid. But I've just come up with another problem of giving them base class Wizard: Illusionist and Necromancer are total opposites! In 2nd Ed. A Necromancer couldn't even learn Illusion Spells and vice versa! Gnomes are Illusionists first and foremost - In multiple Editions {Both first and second} they couldn't specialize in any other school OR become Wizards other than Specialist Illusionists! DDO basically requires that Fleshy's be Pale Master! So the Iconic Svirfneblin Wizard will be anything but Iconic as a +2 Wis Based Gnome Necromancer!

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #33 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	FranOhmsford wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:52pm: You all know I'm sure that I feel Svirfneblin should have base class either Cleric or Druid. But I've just come up with another problem of giving them base class Wizard: Illusionist and Necromancer are total opposites! In 2nd Ed. A Necromancer couldn't even learn Illusion Spells and vice versa! Gnomes are Illusionists first and foremost - In multiple Editions {Both first and second} they couldn't specialize in any other school OR become Wizards other than Specialist Illusionists! DDO basically requires that Fleshy's be Pale Master! So the Iconic Svirfneblin Wizard will be anything but Iconic as a +2 Wis Based Gnome Necromancer! First, Flesh casters are not required to be PM. There's this thing called Cocoon. It works really well and allows any class/race combo to self heal with reasonable reliability. Second, as we have seen with Bladeforged, PDK, and Morninglord, people think nothing of LR'ing out the first level and making whatever the fuck they want. So there's no real requirement to be a wizard at all. Third, DDO is only loosely based on D&D/SRD at this point. It's like the Pirate's Code in Pirates of the Caribbean. It's more a guideline than actual rules. Also, you are mixing first and second edition rules (about Gnomes being illusionists) with racial stat modifiers from 3.5 edition. You are cherry picking rules from different editions and leaving out conflicting information. The game isn't based on 1st or 2nd edition anyways, so those rules are irrelevant. I'm not excited about gnomes. Let alone a deep gnome caster. But your arguments are weak.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #34 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	Smurfy.

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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #35 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	Going back to the IPL feats, we've got PRR from pdk, fort from BF, dodge from shadarkai, and positive spellpower from sun elf. If I had to guess, something like stacking spell resistance or MRR would be likely. Not entirely sure whether that's a good enough reason on its own to do a life or three as a halfling with a gravy stain on its neck.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #36 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:18pm: I'd like to see them get away from needing to make the skins too different for the Iconics.� To me, the Iconic is more of a "well known in lore" build.� They don't have to be physically different races from the base races.� Just a specific faction. Humans for example could be: Harper Bard (or Ranger) Red Wizard of Thay Order of the Yellow Rose Monk Tribe of the Elk (Icewind Dale) Barbarian None of which would need different racial skins.� Maybe slight modifications to hairstyles, facial hair and such.� But custom armor would be more important.� For me, personally, the PDK would be better if it was a regular human appearance.� It makes me not want to play one, except for the IPL.� I find the Shadar-Kai to be similarly limiting.� The Bladeforged, I enjoy and the Morninglord is so close to elf it doesn't matter. They can't do everything with Faerun, they have their hand tied by how Hasbro/WoTC split the IP between them and Neverwinter ( among other things, there might be more splits ), and by who has the rights to what. Stuff like Red Wizards of Thay might actually be owned by the creator of the campaign set up there ( forgot the book name ), and WoTC/Hasbro can only use it with his/her approval. ( the older it gets the more muddy the IP is... and in some early books it's muddy enough that it's almost impossible to reprint them without the agreement of 4/5 people ( that might moved on to other stuff or died ) on everything ) Just look at the mess the Dragonlance IP is : WoTC/Hasbro can't do anything without the consent of Weiss and Hickman. Weiss and Hickman can't do shit without the agreement from WoTC/Hasbro. A lot of the Faerun stuff is also like that. That's also one of the reason ( maybe the main one ) why they went to a new support world for 3rd Ed, they made crystal clear that the IP of the world that won would be bought by WoTC/Hasbro and it's creator would not have any rights left over it. ( beyond having his name one the books )

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #37 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Dullknife wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:38pm: Going back to the IPL feats, we've got PRR from pdk, fort from BF, dodge from shadarkai, and positive spellpower from sun elf. If I had to guess, something like stacking spell resistance or MRR would be likely. Not entirely sure whether that's a good enough reason on its own to do a life or three as a halfling with a gravy stain on its neck. We just got MRR from Warlock PL. I doubt they dip there again. If they go for a caster feel, I'd look at something similar to the Sun Elf, but more illusion focused. Maybe +1 to enchantment DC? We have +1 to conjuration from Cleric and +1 to evocation from Sorcerer. The Spell Resistance isn't a bad thought, but almost nobody worries about SR. I doubt it is going to move the needle.


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #38 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:47pm: We just got MRR from Warlock PL.� I doubt they dip there again.� If they go for a caster feel, I'd look at something similar to the Sun Elf, but more illusion focused.� Maybe +1 to enchantment DC?� We have +1 to conjuration from Cleric and +1 to evocation from Sorcerer.� The Spell Resistance isn't a bad thought, but almost nobody worries about SR.� I doubt it is going to move the needle.� I'm going to put my money on +1 Illusion DCs. (Yes, I realize how useless that is.)


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #39 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:50pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:42pm: They can't do everything with Faerun, they have their hand tied by how Hasbro/WoTC split the IP between them and Neverwinter ( among other things, there might be more splits ), and by who has the rights to what. Stuff like Red Wizards of Thay might actually be owned by the creator of the campaign set up there ( forgot the book name ), and WoTC/Hasbro can only use it with his/her approval. ( the older it gets the more muddy the IP is... and in some early books it's muddy enough that it's almost impossible to reprint them without the agreement of 4/5 people ( that might moved on to other stuff or died ) on everything ) Just look at the mess the Dragonlance IP is : WoTC/Hasbro can't do anything without the consent of Weiss and Hickman. Weiss and Hickman can't do shit without the agreement from WoTC/Hasbro. A lot of the Faerun stuff is also like that. That's also one of the reason ( maybe the main one ) why they went to a new support world for 3rd Ed, they made crystal clear that the IP of the world that won would be bought by WoTC/Hasbro and it's creator would not have any rights left over it. ( beyond having his name one the books ) Fair point. I was just saying that the Iconic "races" don't have to be actually different races. The iconics, to me, are more of a specific class/race combo that is well known in lore.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #40 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:50pm	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:49pm: I'm going to put my money on +1 Illusion DCs.� (Yes, I realize how useless that is.) Hopefully they come out with some new spells that would support this new Iconic class. Like they did with Warlock and Sun Elf.


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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #41 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:53pm	Print Post
	I could see the active feat being a temporary DC boost, the mechanics are already in place and they're lazy enough to just copypaste it over. You're probably right, MRR isn't something I'd expect. Maybe a +3 stacking SR as the passive (might make that drow occult slayer build work), or even a spell pen option. Either way, seems like it'll be a flop. Edit: as far as illusion spells go: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Weird and a bunch of spells to emulate other schools, originally designed to bypass the specialist wizard rules. Of course, instakill spell, so it'd be fucked before it starts.
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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #42 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:47pm: We just got MRR from Warlock PL.� I doubt they dip there again.� If they go for a caster feel, I'd look at something similar to the Sun Elf, but more illusion focused.� Maybe +1 to enchantment DC?� We have +1 to conjuration from Cleric and +1 to evocation from Sorcerer.� The Spell Resistance isn't a bad thought, but almost nobody worries about SR.� I doubt it is going to move the needle.� +1 abjuration focus.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #43 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:50pm: Hopefully they come out with some new spells that would support this new Iconic class.� Like they did with Warlock and Sun Elf.� So reskin grease again?

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Gringo Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 881 Location: Prague, Europe Joined: Nov 22^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #44 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:00pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:50pm: Hopefully they come out with some new spells that would support this new Iconic class.� Like they did with Warlock and Sun Elf.� id be fine if they add just shadow magic and demishadow magic like multiselector spells


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #45 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:05pm	Print Post
	You've got Phantasmal Killer already. Another, higher level version of an insta kill or maybe some CC spells would create some value.


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #46 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	I'd like to see REAL Arcane Archer: arrows imbued with arcane spells in addition to their physical damage component!� Finger of Death arrows, Magic Missile arrows, etc; spells are released on impact and affect either the target or the AOE where the arrow strikes.� Fuck it, expand it to all damage spells, arcane or divine: divine punishment arrows that add one stack per arrow.� From a player dashboard standpoint, you'd be able to pick one spell every 3 caster levels to toggle through (i.e. @ lvl 12 you get to toggle 4 spells) and you can switch the spells selected to you toggle list only at rest shrines/in public areas. This would rock pretty hard, and would be one of those "nerfed immediately after release" type deals, but it would be awesome to see actual DnD features introduced and implemented in DDO (for a change.)
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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #47 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:05pm: Another, higher level version of an insta kill http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Weird it's multitarget, very similar to wail. Asheras wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:05pm: maybe some CC spells Hopefully nothing like that low level cluster migraine sphere spell.


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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #48 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	Dullknife wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:53pm: I could see the active feat being a temporary DC boost, the mechanics are already in place and they're lazy enough to just copypaste it over. Yeah.


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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Latest bad news from the PC Reply #49 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:54pm: +1 abjuration focus. Woo... hoo....


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