Flav wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 5:44pm:



That could not have been that high of a bar! 

Flav wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 5:54pm:


I'm not surprised Fran didn't like it.  He doesn't do well with dissenting opinions.

Whats the point of the pc? I hear that even if all the yes men think somethings not the best idea... they say.. too bad. Fuck ya we doing this shit anyways. So whats the point?

Nice... you must be or have been a pc member.

The advice they give doesnt have value. They gives a fuck.... but..... when the gay ass mobo starts complaining like a mofo... thats when they make changes.. the pc is completely pointless.

Im not trying to shrink your pc loving epeen.. but.. youre wrong... turdbine does what turdbine wants. They only reason the pc would have even a sliver of value is because they are just trying to judge how pissed off the masses will be on the mobo. Then they do it anyways. And if things are too badly nurfed where people go completely apeshit... the un-nurf it a lil and hope most of them shut up.

Asheras wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:35pm:


Your explanation and examples all sound very sensible.
And this would apply when the PC is ask, "do we develop X, Y or Z next?" 
They obviously cannot do all and you would reasonably expect that one of the choices given would be the way forward.

The PC in its current format is not Mournlands.  The stuff going to PC should be past the brainfart stage and actually be something that someone on the team has assessed as plausible and economic.

I would not expect them to ask the PC, "should we goto level 90 this year?" as it is clearly not feasible.

And when the feedback is that the content they intend to deliver is "shite, incomplete and bug ridden" I would not expect this feedback to be taken as optional.

If you ask for feedback, you should listen to it, otherwise why ask?
Agree that you are not compelled to make your decisions to conform to it, but when you ask for it and ignore it so often, people stop caring and maybe become jaded.

I don't think Turbine are culturally mature enough to accept negative feedback, thus they just want praise and dismiss anything other than that.

I would be careful Asheras that you don't cross the line into becoming a Turbine apologist.
A lawyer could argue many reasons why the PC's feedback is irrelevant, but most rational people know that Turbine have serious problems with receiving and acting on feedback.
Even the feedback that is in their business interest is ignored - like publishing unfinished product.  And then they're outraged when someone finds an exploit.  Really - so surprised?

I know the PC is an emotive subject, but Turbine REALLY, REALLY need to listen to some advice about the game they seem to know little about playing.

Eg.  Who thinks Shroud Pt 1 is "fun" and/or "challenging"?

Who Cares wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 2:55am:


Yeah those bloated sacks of HP with stupid DR.  Fun!!!

FranOhmsford wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 3:14am:


I think your mere existence is a complete waste of time!

What kind of a chair-warming mouthbreather are you?!

Get a life you bloody wanker!

Skrilla wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:58pm:

No. Turbine fails to do what it wants, doesn't notice, and broke its own bug reporting tool so people can't point it out to them. If something is bad enough that the even the pack of sycophants on the MoBo whine about it, Turbine "investigates", calls it "WAI" and pats itself on the back for being such great game designers and listening to their community.

Who Cares wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 6:21am:


Well that's a novel take on it.
Can honestly say I never looked at it that way!

PersonaNonGrata wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 2:50am:


It's got nothing to do with being a "Turbine apologist".  What Turbine is doing isn't new.  It's a software industry best practice that has been around for decades.  In almost every industry I've been a part of.  I've been a member of advisory boards (or player councils whatever you want to call them.  They have different names) that are selected from users groups from a number of different software companies in a business capacity.  I was a part of a banking software system's user advisory board when i was the IT manager at a small bank.  When I was a consultant, I participated in advisory boards for CA Unicenter, Microsoft Sharepoint, and Novell Groupwise (that one is really old...).  They all work the exact same way.  No pay.  The software developer gets input from a small group of knowledgeable users.  Besides the NDA, neither side is obligated to do anything really.  It's just advice. 

The people who think the PC is pointless because Turbine is free to ignore the suggestions made really just don't understand how user advisory groups work in software development. 

Turbine does run theirs slightly differently because it's not a business-to-business model.  It's business-to-consumer and consumers don't act like professionals because they are representing their company.  They act like consumers.  But it's also the first week.  Will see how it goes.

EDIT:  I agree 100% with your comment about Shroud Part 1.  It sucks.  It is a boring time sink and I despise it every time I turn on auto attack and run from portal to portal for 5 minutes straight and surf the net on my other monitor.

FranOhmsford wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 3:14am:


Fucktard, you wish. Otherwhise this piece of shit game wouldn't have been the same as it is today.