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Jan 30th, 2016 at 9:57am
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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 10:19am
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I tested them on Lammania when it was up and the feywild won out for me. There are a lot of determining factors though, as there is no clear cut this is the best one ever.

For example, mobs immune/resistant to sonic will reduce feywild, and more than likely make ethereal just as useless, so then arborea would win out.

However, if you are talking no resistance and no fortification, then the feywild wins out imo.

Specific builds also will vary which one to take. I.e. crossbow users might benefit more from ethereal than feywild (pending their ranged power), and tree builds will hands down use arborea over both feywild and ethereal.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 10:19am
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Feywild would be ~21 base damage. I'm not sure if they can crit. Depending on Spellpower:
200: 63 damage
400: 105
600: 147
800: 189
1000: 231

Ethereal depends on Melee/Ranged Power and Hide. Sneak attack is affected by 150% from MP/RP. Fortification and sneak attack immunity can prevent it, unlike the other two options. Assuming 99 Hide:
70: ~68 damage
90: ~78
110: ~87
130: ~97
150: ~107
170: ~117

Arborea depends on your current Melee/Ranged Power and damage. It would ruin Celestia's DR breaking. Calculating the gain from this is easier if base damage and sneak attack damage are separated. This is the only one that will improve based on the weapon's crit profile.
  
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Re: Scion of Feywild Vs. Ethereal Plane Vs. Arborea ?
Reply #4 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:08am
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Feywild is the clear winner on any bard build or build where you can incorporate enough sonic spell power.  On a melee toon, though, fitting in more than a 150 sp item and an insightful 60-70 is unrealistic.   So you are probably looking at around 180-260 spell power.  I'd guesstimate damage around 50-80 per hit.  Also better on Twf builds where you are getting in a lot of swings.  Maybe at lower damage per swing.

Few mobs are sonic resistant, so that makes it a strong option. 

I go with the sneak attack option on any character that is built for sneaks and not having Aggro and has hide as a class skill.  Rogues for sure and monks or rangers depending on build. 

Aborea is strong option for tanks or thf who will have Aggro.  The bigger your base damage, the more this one stands out. And as mentioned above, scales with Crits and works 100% of the time.
  
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Arborea depends on your current Melee/Ranged Power and damage. It would ruin Celestia's DR breaking.

How, exactly, does Scion of Arborea break Celestia? I assume you mean there's something about Scion of Arborea that breaks the DR-breaking power of Celestia but I can't see any reason why it would. Mind elaborating on this?
  

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How, exactly, does Scion of Arborea break Celestia? I assume you mean there's something about Scion of Arborea that breaks the DR-breaking power of Celestia but I can't see any reason why it would. Mind elaborating on this?


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Technomage wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am:
How, exactly, does Scion of Arborea break Celestia? I assume you mean there's something about Scion of Arborea that breaks the DR-breaking power of Celestia but I can't see any reason why it would. Mind elaborating on this?

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Technomage wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am:
How, exactly, does Scion of Arborea break Celestia?

celestia breaks celestia
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 2:04pm:
celestia breaks celestia



Much the same way that the Vault will break the Vault when I start hacking.
  
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Uhm, using sock ip's is now considered hacking ? What ?
  
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Asheras wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:08am:
Feywild is the clear winner on any bard build or build where you can incorporate enough sonic spell power.  On a melee toon, though, fitting in more than a 150 sp item and an insightful 60-70 is unrealistic.   So you are probably looking at around 180-260 spell power.  I'd guesstimate damage around 50-80 per hit.  Also better on Twf builds where you are getting in a lot of swings.  Maybe at lower damage per swing.


Few mobs are sonic resistant, so that makes it a strong option. 


I go with the sneak attack option on any character that is built for sneaks and not having Aggro and has hide as a class skill.  Rogues for sure and monks or rangers depending on build. 


Aborea is strong option for tanks or thf who will have Aggro.  The bigger your base damage, the more this one stands out. And as mentioned above, scales with Crits and works 100% of the time. 

138 aug
36 implement
60 epic
40 feat
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274 spell power not including any skill bonuses from stat and skill gear, good luck, gh, etc.

300 is easily achievable on any melee build, giving an average of 84 damage a hit.


Yes, it is very effective wherever you go.


With the melee power on my rogue, the sonic damage beat out and was less situational.


Arborea breaks Celestia and is just meh. (Keep in mind you need a base 410 damage (so before melee power) to just break even with sonic at 300 spell power.)
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Erofen wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:27pm:
Arborea breaks Celestia and is just meh. (Keep in mind you need a base 410 damage (so before melee power) to just break even with sonic at 300 spell power.)


I take it you mean the shortsword?  Why am I not surprised?

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Erofen wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:27pm:
Arborea breaks Celestia and is just meh. (Keep in mind you need a base 410 damage (so before melee power) to just break even with sonic at 300 spell power.)


If you are swinging Celestia, sonic or sneak attacks is the better choice.  There are other weapons in the game, however.

  
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Technomage wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am:
How, exactly, does Scion of Arborea break Celestia? I assume you mean there's something about Scion of Arborea that breaks the DR-breaking power of Celestia but I can't see any reason why it would. Mind elaborating on this?


There has long been a bug with Celestia that anything that changes the weapon enchantment or adds an additional damage type to it will alter the base damage type of the weapon (Because it is unique and specially coded, apparently).  Thus, you don't want to put anything in the slots or have any weapon buffs on it that add damage types.  Enchantment effects add the Magic damage type to the weapon.   This is enough to fuck up Celestia.
  
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Asheras wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:41pm:
If you are swinging Celestia, sonic or sneak attacks is the better choice.  There are other weapons in the game, however.


for portal dr breakers?
  

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This is why it has a green augment slot instead of a red.  They couldn't make it work so they thought they could get away with that and call it good enough.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:44pm:
for portal dr breakers?


You mean the ones that don't hit back and are basically just a time sink?  I guess if you are interested in trimming off 5 minutes on your shroud runs, then you want a lot of guys wielding celestia. 

You know what else works really well against portals?  A couple of rogues using wrack contstruct, a ranger or two using mark of the hunted (maybe rocking an Epic Sapphire Sting) and maybe an artificer using deconstruct.  My ranger was getting 3k+ crits 3 or 4 times out of 5 in a party that knows what they are doing.  Without wielding Celestia.
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Asheras wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:44pm:
There has long been a bug with Celestia that anything that changes the weapon enchantment or adds an additional damage type to it will alter the base damage type of the weapon (Because it is unique and specially coded, apparently).  Thus, you don't want to put anything in the slots or have any weapon buffs on it that add damage types.  Enchantment effects add the Magic damage type to the weapon.   This is enough to fuck up Celestia. 

Deadly Weapons doesn't break Celestia.
  

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I'm learning to love sonic damage in legendary for sure. It's a scream  Grin Grin Grin

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