Pseudonym wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 11:46pm:

no, not really. If you want a challenge after you have already smashed everything, and then gained even more character power after that, it's up to you to find things to do. You dont see eh doj solo'd on a pure arty. No one, including you, isn't going to accept more power, more loot, more shit. Stop it five.

Pseudonym wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 11:46pm:


Actually it sounds like it is. You should run for council with a build a wall around shitty outdated raid loot platform. Bonus points if you are orange with bad hair.

Regardless your getting worked up over this shitty loot? I mean seriously random loot is better than a lot of it nowadays.

Pseudonym wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:17pm:


The RR boxes were a bad idea when they came out because of the timing.  Those were still some of the most popular end game weapons.   TF didn't come out until after that.  CiTW and FoT were your "end game" raids.  That would be like them releasing a reward with DoJ loot in it today.  I understand they were trying to "right a wrong" at the time but still, it was really killing active content.

This is not the same scale.  I wish the CiTW stuff wasn't in there and it's 4 years old at this point.  The heroic stuff is fine.  Those raids are beyond dead.  It's going to be nice for a few levels during TR's.  I get the "it's raid loot" issue.  But I can't get worked up over level 10,12,14,16 raids.  I just can't.  And some of the chain reward items?  Super meh. 

Not sure what is worse, the item's themselves or the gall it took to name items after themselves.

Pseudonym wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 11:46pm:

LOL, I promise I won't - I want a serious discussion, not a flame war. I may not agree with you. Actually, I completely don't agree with you, but if I can't make my point without resorting to insulting your intelligence, then I can't make my point.

Pseudonym wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Too late, that ship has sailed. These raids are no longer run enough for any but the most dedicated (and bored) player to get them. Giving out raid loot didn't kill them, new better loot and terrible drop rates killed them. As long as the current approach has already failed, we might as well try a different approach.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that giving out one piece from one raid to each person will diminish even one good raid, never mind all of them. These raids have multiple items, and there are multiple raids. If the raid isn't a total pain in the ass, people will still run it for the other items, and for the fun of it. If it is a total pain in the ass and has only one worthwhile item, well, then maybe it will kill it, but good riddance - why would you want to subject others to it, are you sadistic

Pseudonym wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Nor should they cater to serious players at the expense of casuals. Neither style is superior to the other, they are just different. This really helps casuals, and doesn't hurt serious players at all.

It's a great idea and they should do it more often. Have longevity rewards, give casuals a few nice trinkets just for sticking around, even if they aren't as good as "serious" players. They are never going to beat the serious gamers in kill count or achievements, but maybe they'll be well enough geared to at least join you in a raid and survive, and that's what you claim you want.

Meursault wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 7:48pm:


Sadly, there's no way to do that in DDO. There are two very different groups of people, with no deviation between them - new players, first lifers, players still learning... and those of us who have past lives, gear for our level, raid loot, and the tactical instincts that comes from years of play.

If they make it too difficult for group 1, group 1 will complain. If they make it too easy for group 2, group 2 will complain.

Creeping Death and To Curse the Sky are examples of a quest too hard for group 1 of that. Fighting broken DR abishai on-level with no gear? Impossible. Casters that if you fail a save you die? Just as un-fun.

It's probably impossible to balance a quest power-wise, the players are all across the band of mastery. The power discrepancy between legacy players and new players is huge.

That means the entire draw of a quest needs to be fun and interesting aesthetics, and I personally think the newer content is much more fun than the old. I have way more fun in new meridia than old meridia, for example.

I'm gonna enjoy my red dragon helmets thank you very much

Sailias wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:


Red Fens was a god awful update with basically one decent quest {Fathom the Depths}.

It isn't old either {well not compared to the lifespan of this game}.

We've had god awful updates more recently too - Wheloon, Heart of Madness to name but two}.

For some people yes difficulty does play it's part in quest popularity but it also makes quests unpopular too.
Easy example - The Pit being simultaneously the most popular and the most unpopular quest in the game!

Oh and The Pit has been around since the start {or maybe module 1/2}.

Yes new quests are tougher than older ones but:
Part of that is by definition their newness - We haven't learned the meta for them yet - Quests like Creeping Death and Curse the Sky won't remain this difficult for long - In fact the reason Curse the Sky is so difficult is that it's one of the most laggy quests in the game!. Fix the lag and I'd probably love this quest.

Do I hate Delirium because it's difficult? NO!
I hate Delirium because of that one puzzle that constantly moves - It's not difficult, it's annoying!

Same goes for Sane Asylum - That Puzzle literally kills the quest for me!

What about In the Flesh and Fashion Madness?
Well yes In the Flesh has an extremely difficult and maddening End Fight but what I really hate about it is Yaulthoon and the Fashion Show - I can't stand it!
Having Yaulthoon return not dead after all in Fashion madness was a kick in the guts!

Actually I only "like" two of the madness quests {Lord of Stone and Fear Factory}. Both of which are more "normal".
And neither of which would get anywhere near my top 20 quests in game!




P.S. I'd love Haunted Halls if it had an Heroic Version {not like ToEE where at level is impossible} but as it's Epic End-Game content I got one or two runs done and that's it!

FranOhmsford wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:02am:


I've never had any lag in there.

Hey Fran, how do you feel about the fortification values on lower level randomly generated loot?

FranOhmsford wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:02am:


Hey Fran you know the () symbols? Parenthesis? Well, they're what you meant to use throughout that shitty post.

Firstly, In the Flesh is one of the best quests in the game. Pleasingly difficult, fun environment, fantastic end boss.

Secondly,  To Curse the Sky is difficult for unprepared players because abishai have literally broken DR and insane damage. Lag isn't the problem here, it's not knowing how they work and how to fight them. I'm not surprised you're blaming lag here, though.

Sailias wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 2:19pm:


Think what you want to think but when you can't move for 5 minutes straight then DC well that has nothing to do with DR or Dmg!

When you stutter step and can't turn left or right without having to wait 5 seconds again that has absolutely nothing to do with DR or Dmg!

And this regularly happens in that one specific quest!

I was having some lag issues elsewhere {E-Star was particularly laggy during Risia} recently too but nothing like as bad as in To Curse the Sky

The problem is you franny. It isn't the quest. I run it on varying difficulties and solo it on le with my monk. I am going to repeat that, my monk. Curse the sky isn't difficult, your character is just a bitch. I highly doubt your lag is that bad in there, maybe once or twice, but not every time unless you have only done the quest 3 times.

Another possibility for the lag. You capped your data for the billing period and your connection speed was reduced. Stop spending all that extra data on porn and anime.