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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8913 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Mar 15^th, 2016 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	Like is there some kind of flavor/lore at play, or what? You've get: Positive energy heals an ally for 4d6+8 plus 1 per caster level, which, even with fair amounts of hamp, is crap. Add in most characters who have the spell get it at a point in their adventuring carrier when 40ish hit points is kind of useless. The very next spell up is Heal, 10 points per caster level. That means at level 5 its already doing more than Cure Critical. AND it scales much more relevently over level? What?! Sorry, just started playing a bard and a bit annoyed at how poorly I can blue-bar self-heal Yeah, if I built the character entirely around it I MIGHT be able to make it land for 100 or so, but I'm already pushing over 300. Why the fuck is this spell so horribly shitty?

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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #1 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	Because you have no heal amp? Because you have no positive spell amplification? Because your heal skill sucks the shit out of a dog's asshole? I could get that spell to go off for +600 with minimal investment; minimal.


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LordPiglet Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 660 Location: H-Town Joined: Jan 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #2 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 5:53pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 5:12pm: Like is there some kind of flavor/lore at play, or what? You've get: Positive energy heals an ally for 4d6+8 plus 1 per caster level, which, even with fair amounts of hamp, is crap. Add in most characters who have the spell get it at a point in their adventuring carrier when 40ish hit points is kind of useless. The very next spell up is Heal, 10 points per caster level. That means at level 5 its already doing more than Cure Critical. AND it scales much more relevently over level? What?! Sorry, just started playing a bard and a bit annoyed at how poorly I can blue-bar self-heal Yeah, if I built the character entirely around it I MIGHT be able to make it land for 100 or so, but I'm already pushing over 300. Why the fuck is this spell so horribly shitty? Not built around it, but know that it is something you need to factor in. Bard hits cure crit for 350 at level 28, with 2 points in heal and wearing a devotion 90 item with maximize on. My rangers cure serious averages over 400 self targeted. I don't use cocoon on her anymore.


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Charon Ex Member	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #3 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 6:00pm	Print Post
	Pick up a devotion item. Fuck it's not difficult. Pretty sure you should have learned at some point in your playing that if you want your spells to have bigger numbers you have to get a spell power item. Common fucking game knowledge.


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Gringo Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 881 Location: Prague, Europe Joined: Nov 22^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #4 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	even wo devotion item just with couple divine PL and some potency 36 on some item as side effect, i m hitting myself for like 120 with noncritted empowered ccw (on lvl 14)
	« Last Edit: Mar 15^th, 2016 at 6:15pm by Gringo »

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #5 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	Cure moderate is the best SP/HP ratio, until Heal. Cure Serious is still okay, and Cure Critical occupies the "Oh shit" spot. Its ratio is shit, but that's what you pay for getting yourself into a position where you have to use it. And, now that I've said all that as if fact, it seems like a good time to mention that I haven't done the math.

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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #6 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 8:05pm: Cure moderate is the best SP/HP ratio, until Heal. Cure Serious is still okay, and Cure Critical occupies the "Oh shit" spot. Its ratio is shit, but that's what you pay for getting yourself into a position where you have to use it. And, now that I've said all that as if fact, it seems like a good time to mention that I haven't done the math. Could not agree more....... math comment included.


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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #8 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:48am	Print Post
	CMW, max CL 10. 2d6+4+10 = avg 21 devotion @ 14 66 augment 15 implement 10 guild 10 heal (skill) (7 augment, GH, good luck, guild, whatever) === 100 heal amp @ 14 20 guild 30 mysterious cloak / bracers 25 random loot (armor, gloves) 20 human === x 1.95 x 1.1 bug TL;DR 21 x 2 x 1.95 x 1.1 = 90 HP for a CMW (8 SP)


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Illiterate Titan Demolisher Offline Yataaaa Posts: 359 Location: France Joined: Jul 31^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #9 - Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	Bards have UMD so they can use Heal scrolls.

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iGouger Ex Member	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #10 - Mar 19^th, 2016 at 1:38am	Print Post
	Illiterate wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:20pm: Bards have UMD so they can use Heal scrolls. ^this Plus, don't Spellsingers get that enhancement that increases scroll effectiveness by 75%? I thought Bards mainly used their SP for party buffs and only secondarily for healing. Then again I haven't played in months so I don't even know how things are in DDO these days.


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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #11 - Mar 19^th, 2016 at 3:12am	Print Post
	Quote: Plus, don't Spellsingers get that enhancement that increases scroll effectiveness by 75%? I think you're the first person who's ever publicly confessed to taking those enhancements.


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	WeHaveLived wrote on Mar 19^th, 2016 at 3:12am: I think you're the first person who's ever publicly confessed to taking those enhancements. really good in heroics

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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #13 - Mar 19^th, 2016 at 5:39am	Print Post
	Quote: that enhancement that increases scroll effectiveness by 75%? I stopped using those... when they ceased to increase spell damage by 75%... good times that said, official forums had recently a post about how different wand/scroll enhancements stacked with each other for +150%, I should probably revisit them
	« Last Edit: Mar 19^th, 2016 at 5:41am by crunch »

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Spector Korthos Resident Offline Everybody dies. Posts: 47 Joined: Nov 26^th, 2013	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #14 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	Because when it was launched, toons would have about 200HP max. So it was effective by then.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #15 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	Idk state of game atm, but this thread isi interesting. Keep in mid that some ok and superb builds back when i played diped hard into multiclass so max they could get was cure critical. From my personal experience with devotion amp plifes and proper gear invesment into heal heal skill books wisdom etc a metad cure ser could heal over 600 hp on a 10 druid split. Was with max gear back then, no idea what op +19 thing of �berness you guys got now in game to raise devotion and heal tho. Maybe the epic gsteel got some kind 30% de otion rit on it, no idea but i dont see that spell being bad esp not in current state of the game you are in. I might be horribly wrong and prolly am


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #16 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 6:12pm: I might be horribly wrong and prolly am Your current avatar guarantees it.

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Skrilla Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1362 Joined: Dec 12^th, 2013	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #17 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	It would be nice if they sold better heal pots. People have more hp now and the mobs damage more. Turdbine just wants to sell them to stupid people so it wont happen.


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Soggy Biscuit Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 9 Joined: Mar 31^st, 2016	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #18 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 6:32pm: Your current avatar guarantees it. How about my avatar, what does that do for you?


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #19 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	Soggy Biscuit wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 7:54pm: Goddamnit.

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Why is Cure Critical Wounds so shitty? Reply #20 - Apr 15^th, 2016 at 11:30am	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 6:32pm: Your current avatar guarantees it. I lol'ed.

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