Naruto is for faggots.

if a mans need to form opinions on something is so strong that it can generate 2 pages of justification for aforementioned desired speculation then who am i to stop them

if only turbine did the right thing as opposed to circling the wagons and giving virtually no useful details on the problem so that it wouldnt be hard to make even a semi-educated guess in your opinion, this whole conflict could have been avoided

i have had my opinion officially swayed and now join you in your good fight to demand that turbine give you enough information to form opinions to post on the vault. it is your right as an american in this world to have all the details and have no limits imposed upon your ability to make wild guesses regarding their intellectual properties.

no matter how offended you choose to be by the way i state the facts, the facts are still facts. turbine owes nothing, to anyone. you are retarded for even considering for a moment that you deserve information from a company who's success was probably catalyzed solely by their ability to hide information.

DropBear wrote on Apr 21^st, 2016 at 7:00am:


well good thing you didnt click agree on the eula, and as a result are immune to this treachery.. oh wait- you DID click decline on the EULA right? other wise you would be bound to the terms in the liscensing agreement for a product as is, no refunds, no grounds for claims etc. well im not a lawyer so i wont speculate what it says.. ill just go fucking copy paste the good parts, im sure it will basically say "if this game sucks, we got your money and you agreed to it- fuck off"

5. Ownership.  You agree that, between you and Turbine, Turbine owns and shall continue to own all rights, title and interest in and to the Game, all copies thereof, and all content therein. The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials are third party beneficiaries of this Agreement with the right to enforce their rights against you if you violate this Agreement.  You agree that Turbine owns all rights and title in and to all Feedback and all ideas and inventions communicated by you to Turbine in connection with the Game, and that Turbine and its licensors may use, copy, modify, distribute, sublicense, create derivate works based on, and commercially exploit any such Feedback, ideas and inventions without restriction. To the extent that any portion of the Feedback is protectable by copyright, patent, trade secret, trademark or other intellectual property rights, you agree to assign, and hereby assign, irrevocably all right, title and interest in and to the Feedback and all related rights to Turbine.   

7. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES.  THE GAME IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN “AS IS” “AS AVAILABLE” BASIS WITHOUT REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NON-INFRINGMMENT AND AVAILABILITY.

8. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.  IN NO EVENT SHALL TURBINE, ITS PARENT, SUBSIDIARIES OR AFFILIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO THE GAME OR ANY USE THEREOF, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY LOSS OF DATA OR GOODWILL, DISRUPTION OF SERVICE OR CLAIMS OF THIRD PARTIES.  IN NO EVENT SHALL TURBINE, ITS PARENT, SUBSIDIARIES OR AFFILIATES BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, EXEMPLARY, PUNITIVE, LIQUIDATED, OR OTHER CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, WHETHER UNDER CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), STRICT LIABILITY OR ANY OTHER THEORY OF LIABILITY, ARISING FROM YOUR USE OF THE GAME.  THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS SHALL APPLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS OF ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE.

9. INDEMNIFICATION.  YOU HEREBY AGREE TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS TURBINE, ITS PARENT, SUBSIDIARIES AND AFFILIATES, FROM AND AGAINST ANY CLAIM, LIABILITY, INJURY, DAMAGE, LOSS OR EXPENSE (INCLUDING REASONABLE ATTORNEYS’ FEES) INCURRED AS A RESULT OF, ARISING FROM, OR RELATING TO YOUR USE OF THE GAME.

13. Miscellaneous.  You agree that you are not considered, and shall not represent yourself as, an agent, employee, joint venturer, or partner of Turbine.

agreeing to this eula waives your right to think at all, you exist for the sole purpose of inserting money, and are free to leave when you are no longer willing to do so.

eighnuss wrote on Apr 21^st, 2016 at 7:53am:



1.  Not an American.  No sense of entitlement to anything other than a good gum tree and the occasional tourist.  Ah, I see the misunderstanding comes from the use of the word "right" which you assumed to mean legal right.  It wasn't.  Sorry, next point.

2.  Not demanding a refund or threatening legal action so the EULA is irrelevant.  There is no way to legally compel Turdbine to provide information.  I'm suggesting that voluntarily providing information would help them retain some customers. That is the objective of most businesses, other than Turdbine.

You're pretty riled up over this eh?

So you actually bothered to copy-paste the EULA to support your point?
Congrats, you officially have made more effort than Turdbine has thus far in dealing with this PR disaster.

eighnuss wrote on Apr 21^st, 2016 at 10:00am:

There is no entitlement in my original post in this thread. 

It is easily verified by perusing the Dev Tracker on the forums that Turbine has not released enough detailed information for even the technically competent among their customers to make even a semi-educated guess on whether minor reductions in lag were the result of their recent hotfixes or just reduced server load due to customer loss. 

That has zero to do with any feelings of entitlement or lack thereof.  I did not say those incompetent failures working at Turbine owed us a detailed explanation.   It is entirely their prerogative and they have to deal with the consequences of their choice.

Since you persist in being a thick-headed jackass who infers things that were neither directly stated nor implied, this will be my last response to you.  There's no point in having a discussion with someone who is as deficient in reading comprehension as you.

Digimonk wrote on Apr 21^st, 2016 at 12:38pm:

Financially it wouldn't make sense, but people sufficiently pissed off might do it just to be pricks. Numerous studies have shown people are willing to incur some personal costs in order to punish a wrongdoer. Turdbin's behavior may not be criminal, but it's certainly not right 

Anywhoo . . . ran several raids tonight on G-land include EE Defile her, almost no lag.  At least no worse than it was before the server move, possibly better.

How's it on other servers?

No big spikes but constant combat lag. The usual stuff, abilities used to no effect but on cooldown, clickies charges gone with no effect, missing tactics, assassinates.

Loading bars stuck, can't fucking click quest or wilderness entrances for a while.

And the big thing, mobs ai seems completely turned off. They are dumber than ever.

It's still shit, and anyone who played other games and tries ddo must think what the fuck's going on with this game.

Spare me the bullshit, we just got used to complete fuck ups so even negligible improvement is a big deal.

Last night Raidathon was almost lag free...

a few small spikes during DoJ and Shroud, a huge one at Hound completion...

Now it's not very representative, we were shortmanning the stuff ( 7 people, up to 10 including piking accounts )

Technomage wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2016 at 4:04pm:

that entire area including its raids has always been a heavy lag zone. Random lock ups in slayer, wyrm and sometimes peaks.

I was in a group that ran 5 DoJs on Ghallanda during the middle of the day.  Two of them with 11-12 players failed due to exceeding the 15 reinforcements limit while completely lagged out.  We won the other 3 but they all had frequent lag spikes throughout the raid.  We short-manned 2 of the 3 we won with 5-8 players.

Also ran a Deathwyrm and Fire Peaks last night.  Lag seemed to be better, but there were still frequent large lag spikes throughout.

It might be better than it has been lately, but it is still nowhere near what it was pre-datacenter move.

Ran the three Legendary raids and Chronoscope last night. Probably the smoothest completions I've seen since the move. Maybe it's just cause everyone else is gone. Shroud was still lagging, especially at portals and stage completion. Nice of Turbine to spawn mobs when they know everyone will be locked up.

Bones wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2016 at 12:38pm:


Hitler has nothing on you dude ...... even my soul vomited a little