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Reply #50 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:51pm
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Hide Armor - Quality Healing Amp +18, Epic Nimbleness (+6 max dex bonus, -4 Armor check penalty), Enhancement Fortification +185, Quality Fortification +45, Green Augment Slot


This has me wondering what bosses or mobs in general have so much fort bypass that people will need 230+.  There are also exceptional fort boosts of up to 25% of items, and you can pick up fort in enhance trees and such also.

My understanding is that a mob with sneak attack ignores 1 fort per CR.  Mobs without sneak dice don't have fort bypass.  If I'm correct to even have a 1% chance to crit someone wearing this armor a mob would need sneak dice and a CR of 131.

Bosses might have some fort bypass or ignore it, and some champs just ignore it.  But for the ones that just ignore it no amount matters, so what's the point?

I guess it lets you suck down the int yugo pots without worrying too much about getting critted by the trash.
  

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Reply #51 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:59pm
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They need more interesting effects. It doesn't need to be unigue, but instead of taking whatever they did last time, rearranging the effects on different slots and then increasing a few numbers by one they should focus on thinking up intangible effects (like Torc) that can't be plus-1'd.
  

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Reply #52 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:13pm
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QuantumFX wrote on Apr 19th, 2016 at 7:48pm:
I could deal with less Turbine “creativity” with the stat bonuses.

Don't forget also justifying prior item and enhancement nerfs with the excuse of trying to reduce the different number of bonus types.
  
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Reply #53 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:13pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 3:59pm:
They need more interesting effects. It doesn't need to be unigue, but instead of taking whatever they did last time, rearranging the effects on different slots and then increasing a few numbers by one they should focus on thinking up intangible effects (like Torc) that can't be plus-1'd.


The problem is then you quickly run into a massive headache trying to slot all the intangibles.

I love intatibles, though, which is why I want to see more stuff to help me slot around them. I think thats one way where the Mysterious Remenant clocka/bracers and a lot of the Devil's Gambit items came in so handy. So many slots made it easier to get your FeatherFall/DeathBlock/pro-fear/pro-evil/run-speed/water-breathing/master's gift shit slotted SOMEWHERE, without giving up a ton of other stuff.
  

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Reply #54 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:18pm
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Loot is irrelevant at this point. Much more important to make enjoyable and repeatable quests.
  
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noamineo wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:13pm:
The problem is then you quickly run into a massive headache trying to slot all the intangibles.

No, then a subset of players do. Not everyone. This incremental powercreep along a predictable line of boring loot bonus effects can do one. As others have said, not every item need be a unique snowflake but this is just so uninspiring. Useful ≠ interesting.

Let's see if the content to get to this oh-so-exciting loot is another series of kill/door/repeat fests too.
  
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Reply #56 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:20pm
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DoRayEgon wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:18pm:
Loot is irrelevant at this point. Much more important to make enjoyable and repeatable quests.

Gawd yes.
  
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kum-gulp wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:20pm:
Gawd yes.

Holy shit. Someone agreed with me.
  
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Reply #58 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:36pm
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slothinator wrote on Apr 19th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Docent - Wooden - Insightful PRR +22, Insightful MRR +22, repair amp +72, Enhancement Sheltering +45, Green Augment Slot

Cool, but why is it made of wood? Presumably for Druids, I guess, but haven't all previous docents been made of "Gem" and thus wearable by Druids (without breaking their oaths) anyway???
  

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Technomage wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:36pm:
Cool, but why is it made of wood? Presumably for Druids, I guess, but haven't all previous docents been made of "Gem" and thus wearable by Druids (without breaking their oaths) anyway???


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Technomage wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:36pm:
Cool, but why is it made of wood? Presumably for Druids, I guess, but haven't all previous docents been made of "Gem" and thus wearable by Druids (without breaking their oaths) anyway???


Why would you even be a warforged druid? That's like being a Jewish Nazi. Sure, you CAN do it, but it's just a contradiction in terms.
  

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Reply #61 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:47pm
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kum-gulp wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:20pm:
No, then a subset of players do.


If you read the rest of my post you'll note I am one of those players Tongue
  

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Reply #62 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:47pm
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Creativity does seem to be missing.  If you want to know what I think creative is, I'm thinking of items like the Jibber's blade, the master's gift/Voice of the Master, the PLIS, the beholder Eye optics/doomsphere ring, the silver flame necklace, the visor of the flesh rendor guards, ring of the anscestors, the Royal guard mask, the litany of the dead, the belt of braided beards. Which all represent unique and creative loot that often has value far beyond the "Stats".  Those are the type of items I'd like to see at least one of in each pack.  Even a Visions of Precision, Celestia or an Eidolon Necklace.  (I thought the HH loot in general was pretty creative). 
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Reply #63 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:52pm
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DoRayEgon wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:18pm:
Loot is irrelevant at this point. Much more important to make enjoyable and repeatable quests.


While I agree with you that fun and repeatable quests are way more important than loot, I disagree that loot is irrelevant.  Loot farming has a place in the game. 

The degree to which loot is important to players varies.  Some players are all about the loot.  Some couldn't care less about loot.  Most fall somewhere in between. 
  
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Technomage wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:36pm:
Cool, but why is it made of wood? Presumably for Druids, I guess, but haven't all previous docents been made of "Gem" and thus wearable by Druids (without breaking their oaths) anyway???


I'm pretty sure druid compatibility is determined by body feat. (As in default composite is ok but mithral or adamantine body break oath.) Is this item implying that you can wear it with metal body feat?
  

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Reply #65 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 5:56pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 5:47pm:
I'm pretty sure druid compatibility is determined by body feat. (As in default composite is ok but mithral or adamantine body break oath.) Is this item implying that you can wear it with metal body feat?



Even then, a druid in animal/elemental form heal with divine, not reconstruct. This item is half tought unless im missing something.
  
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Reply #66 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 6:02pm
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noamineo wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 12:55pm:
I just wish they'd finally come through on the crafting pass so I can craft at least SOME of this stuff. Wading through the AH in search of an item that fits stopped being fun 4 loot passes ago...

This.

The fact that they once again came up with a loot system that you can't search the AH for gear by what it improves and what slots it has shows how wilfully obtuse they are. They don't play the game and have nothing but a spiteful Fuck You for those of us who do.
  

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Reply #67 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 6:08pm
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Asheras wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:52pm:
While I agree with you that fun and repeatable quests are way more important than loot, I disagree that loot is irrelevant.  Loot farming has a place in the game. 

The degree to which loot is important to players varies.  Some players are all about the loot.  Some couldn't care less about loot.  Most fall somewhere in between. 


I only bother farming loot from fun/repeatable quests. If Von6 wasn't highly entertaining, I wouldn't give a crap about the eSoS. A lot of what people consider really good gear comes from quests I can't be assed to farm because they are so boring. Its why I haven't got a Torc.

But fun and replayable goes hand in hand with loot, there's a lot of quests that are enormously fun that I don't play often because, aside from fun, there's no reward for running them a million times. Fun quests with interesting loot and a reasonable drop-rate are the best.
  

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slothinator wrote on Apr 19th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
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Helmet - Magical Efficiency 5%, Equipment Potency +63, Insightful Potency +31, Quality Potency +15, Green Augment Slot


Am I reading that right?  109 potency @ lvl 13?  And a green slot?
Freekin awesome caster item.
  

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Reply #69 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 7:04pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 5:47pm:
I'm pretty sure druid compatibility is determined by body feat. (As in default composite is ok but mithral or adamantine body break oath.)

Yes, of course, you're right.

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 5:47pm:
Is this item implying that you can wear it with metal body feat?

Interesting. I hadn't thought about that. That would be cool!
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Reply #70 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 9:09pm
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Who Cares wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 12:51pm:
Fran are you OK? While your post is not 100% accurate I find it to actually make sense and not make me want to hit myself in the balls with a hammer.

Are you sick, or has the little fanboi in you finally been raped to death by turbine?


It's funny how I get lumped in as a "fanboi".

It clearly shows that you haven't read many of my posts on the forums!

I've been highly critical of Turbine on numerous occasions!



As for the +7/+8 thing - The best I've got on any of my characters or in my shared crafting bank is +6 and I don't run E-GH anywhere near enough to get the requisite Epic Relics for either so it really doesn't matter to me if they go up to+8.

What does matter is that E-Orchard Gear {Min Lvl 27} has stat bonuses of +11!
I'm simply not going to take off my Fanged Gloves for +1/2 or even 4 Quality Int! {Yes I know the Gloves in this update are Cha but chances are I'm going to be taking something off that I can't afford to take off to wear them!}.



Finally - Someone said something about Leg GS - Chances are if I do somehow manage to make an LGS item {Lol - I haven't even run Leg Shroud yet!} the first one will be a Weapon and I don't want my Main Stat on a Weapon!
What happens when I need to swap Weapons?

This is the same reason I don't want Deadly on a Weapon!
  

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Technomage wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 4:36pm:
Cool, but why is it made of wood? 


This is the cosmetic

  
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FranOhmsford wrote on Apr 20th, 2016 at 9:09pm:
Finally - Someone said something about Leg GS - Chances are if I do somehow manage to make an LGS item {Lol - I haven't even run Leg Shroud yet!} the first one will be a Weapon and I don't want my Main Stat on a Weapon!
What happens when I need to swap Weapons?

This is the same reason I don't want Deadly on a Weapon!

Fran, don't be a tool.  You cried "Where will I get my +12 to stat!?!" and I gave you an easy source for +15 to stat.  Your refusal to run content is not any reason to try to invalidate the answer.  If I listed a specific +12 stat item you would have come back and said "I hate and don't run that quest" as if I gave a rat's ass.  Grow a pair and run some end game content, it's not as if the raids are terribly hard, and you know the layout already since turbine just recycles old content to save work for the one guy they have left who remembers how to use the typewriter-era software they use to make new dungeons.

What happens when you swap weapons?  Your stat goes down until you swap back, idiot.  That's how this works.  Don't make a LGS +15 Str shortsword if you don't plan on carrying a shortsword in most fights.  How hard is this for you?

And finally, learn to parenthesis.  It's shift-9 and shift-0, not shift-[ and shift-].
  

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I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Reply #73 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 7:11am
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Why do you give a fuck?  Why is this important to you?  How easily befiddled are you if THIS blows your mind?  Who else do you think gives a fuck?


Having conversations like this with yourself is a really good start...
  

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All of it is vendor trash.
  
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