It was listed as a topic that the 2015 PC visited towards the end of the year.  With it being pushed back twice I would hazard they were not impressed, or that it would take longer to implement than they thought.

viadrouw wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

"Spaghetti code" happened at DDO because the folks that are currently there are so smart that they don't need to understand how things were done by the folks who developed the game.  Slapping their new resume line item onto the existing code base without understanding how it would interact with the many other resume line-items is completely acceptable because "ME ME ME ME".

DDO did not start with "spaghetti code".

viadrouw wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:


Nobody knows how long anything will take to fully implement because no system is ever completed.  Therefore how long anything will take to implement is either a wild-assed guess or determined by how much time remains until the next Pac-Man LARP.

Meursault wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 11:37am:


I'm one of them.

Random loot gen is shit. You get caster spellpower boosts mixed with double strike and ranged power bonuses. Who the fuck can use that?

Finding a randomly-generated item that's all useful(not just partially) is so insanely rare it's actually faster to farm for named items.

This is why crafting is so vital: you need to be able to take all the pieces of random loot and turn them in to something valuable.

There is a staggering number of directions they could go with it, but refusing to go any direction is the one guaranteed way to fuck it up.

OldCoaly wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:


It probably did.  Clean slate or not, it takes some discipline to write good code that can be easily followed by others, and everything I've learned about Turbine tells me that they have never had the processes in place to ensure that this kind of discipline was enforced on their coding.

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:38am:


The people who developed the engine loved their work with tremendous passion.

It was purchased by a clown.

I think you're right that the people in place are undisciplined, but they did not create the product.

It doesn't matter how easy the original case was to follow.  It has been "too hard" since it changed hands and the clown convinced his employees that they are all too smart to concern themselves with coding discipline.   They do not care about it.  It is not their product, which is why they treat it with the lack of respect we see.

Even renewing their Domain Name has been beyond the level of discipline of this crew.

Bones wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:35pm:


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/471742-Cannith-crafting-update-being-s...

per Cordovan

Yes, Cannith Crafting will not be in U31. No immediate ETA to announce.

notajedi wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

Which makes a push-back from what?  U29?  I haven't kept track, but it's been at least 2 updates I think.  And now they can't even state which hypothetical update it might manage to make it into.  Gah, what a crock of crap.

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

Why are you in such a rush to lose the good things?

Revaulting wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

Well, sure, I'm fairly certain they'll screw things up.  But right now cannith crafting is fairly well useless.  It had some use for a few years after it was implemented, but power creep has make it useful only for low level characters.  It has some value in inventory management, since you can just make something instead of sitting on it in your bank or tr cache.  But I can't recall using anything crafted after about 10th level for most characters, the +13 rogue skill items you can make and wear at 9th+ have a little more longevity.

So even a screwed up system that managed to be relevant throughout heroics at least would be an improvement.  And if it managed to be relevant in epics I might just get some wood.

Revaulting wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Right.  And that might have meant something 5 years ago when heroics were hard(er?).  Now, it's 10 levels of relevance that ends in 2 days play.  So, not terribly relevant at all.

So yeah, I invite then to fuck with crafting, because if they manage to make it matter longer than 2 days they will have accomplished something at least.

noamineo wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:


This, more or less.

In the current state of the game, many slots for many classes could theoretically be filled with randomly generated items that would be significantly better than the named alternatives. However, it's astronomically unlikely that you'll get the combination of effects that you want, which is arguably the biggest flaw in an extremely flawed loot revamp.

Since the folks at Turbine seem to be very much invested in moving away from the "named items or bust" mentality that was more or less dominant for a long time, we need a way to get the combinations we want on non named items without having to win the metaphorical jackpot.

The crafting solution could very easily be something along the lines of
1) Extend crafting into epic levels
2) Change the ML on crafted items to be in line with the current random loot system (bonuses not added together to determine ML, etc)
3) Add the new effects to the crafting system, with the maximum achievable numbers being slightly below the maximum you could potentially find on random loot so it'll still be possible to get better stuff in chests/rewards if you get absurdly lucky.

Let's play a little game and speculate on how Turbine could conceivably screw up crafting if they tried.

Personally, the only ways I can think of are:

*Every crafted item has ML +2 with masterful(+4 without it)
*Any recipes at all requiring astral shards. Just fuck that shit so hard.

Anyone else got any ideas?