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The DDO game worlds will be down for an update from 7:00 AM - 12:00 PM Eastern (-4 GMT) on Thursday, May 19th. Release notes will be available during the downtime. Thank you for your patience, and we will see you in the game. This is for Update 31 Patch 1.
  
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Reply #1 - May 18th, 2016 at 9:58pm
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Hope following Kensei enhancement change that Dev mentioned before will be included in Update 31 Patch 1...


There are several changes that will not be included when the update 31 goes live, but will be added in a future patch, coming soon.

These changes include:

Tier 4: Added the following 2 Enhancements
• Opportunity Attack: 2 Charges, Melee Attack: Deals +1/2/3[W] Damage. Your Melee Power is boosted by 10 for 6 seconds. Each time you damage an opponent, but no more than once per second, you have a 10% chance to add a charge up to a maximum of 2.
• Liquid Courage: After drinking a potion or drink, increases Positive Healing Amplification 50 for 30 seconds

Core Skills:
• Change Core Level 18 "One Cut" skill to the following: On Activate, Crit Multiplier Increase (Unique Bonus for 15 seconds, 60 second cooldown)

  
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FlameDragon wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 9:58pm:
• Liquid Courage: After drinking a potion or drink, increases Positive Healing Amplification 50 for 30 seconds

This is so typical of their incompetent, sloppy, fucked up, absolute failure of communications.  "Potions or drink?"  Ok, fine.  We all know what a potion is, there are many items with the word potion in their names.  What the fuck is a 'drink?'  Why leave us guessing?

Elixir?  Flask? The things in the wiki list of Collectable Reward Potions such as Cryptmoss Infusion and Arrowmint Leaves and the like?  Yugo pots?  How about a Gloomy Potion of Restoration?  Or a Medium Experience Elixir?  What about a Starter Potion of Heal Light Wounds, or a Draught of Hearty Apple Cider, or a Cryptmoss Silk Sutures, or a Lily Extract, or a Vial of Dryad Tree Sap?

Because just saying 'drinks' leaves a lot of uncertainty on the table.

If it's just the things actually defined as 'drinks' (on the Wiki at least, but then the wiki does a lot better job of tracking categories than Turbine ever has) that you can buy in bars such as the Dirty Kobold, then why bother?  No one cares if they get +50 HAmp when they are already in a noncombat area drinking a mana drink.  Their HP will come back faster than their mana anyway.
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I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2016 at 6:46am
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I swear they look at my calendar and see which night I might actually have time to play and schedule updates to overlap that.
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Dibs at that fact that they wont be able to code potions and spells different for encha purpose and that it will work on "being healed" and will work with all positive based spells that have a healing portion as well.
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Reply #6 - May 19th, 2016 at 11:00am
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Frank wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:30am:
This is so typical of their incompetent, sloppy, fucked up, absolute failure of communications.  "Potions or drink?"  Ok, fine.  We all know what a potion is, there are many items with the word potion in their names.  What the fuck is a 'drink?'  Why leave us guessing?

Elixir?  Flask? The things in the wiki list of Collectable Reward Potions such as Cryptmoss Infusion and Arrowmint Leaves and the like?  Yugo pots?  How about a Gloomy Potion of Restoration?  Or a Medium Experience Elixir?  What about a Starter Potion of Heal Light Wounds, or a Draught of Hearty Apple Cider, or a Cryptmoss Silk Sutures, or a Lily Extract, or a Vial of Dryad Tree Sap?

Because just saying 'drinks' leaves a lot of uncertainty on the table.

If it's just the things actually defined as 'drinks' (on the Wiki at least, but then the wiki does a lot better job of tracking categories than Turbine ever has) that you can buy in bars such as the Dirty Kobold, then why bother?  No one cares if they get +50 HAmp when they are already in a noncombat area drinking a mana drink.  Their HP will come back faster than their mana anyway.


I would put my money on it being triggered by the drink animation, so weird shit like reincarnation timer bypasses will work, but non-guild remove curse pots will not.
  

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Reply #7 - May 19th, 2016 at 11:38am
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I'm wondering if there's anything that doesn't have a cooldown that could work to trigger it. People have rightly pointed out that potions have a long enough cooldown as to make this a dps reduction but if there's something that qualifies as a 'drink' that can be hit without interrupting the attack sequence that could be handy.
  
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Reply #8 - May 19th, 2016 at 11:42am
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Frank wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:30am:
This is so typical of their incompetent, sloppy, fucked up, absolute failure of communications.  "Potions or drink?"  Ok, fine.  We all know what a potion is, there are many items with the word potion in their names.  What the fuck is a 'drink?'  Why leave us guessing?

So how does it work ? You carry stacks of cheapest pots to drink right before Silver Flame or what ?
Sounds fun.
  
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Usually the first potion is the one you need the most!
  

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Darkrok wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 11:38am:
drink' that can be hit without interrupting the attack sequence that could be handy.

an arty throwing cure pots at you  Grin
  

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Rubbinns wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 12:09pm:
an arty throwing cure pots at you  Grin

And as a bonus, if it's a pure Artie, almost no DPS will be lost from them being a dedicated potion thrower.    Grin
  
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LOL.

I don't recall exactly, but I think someone might have mentioned that this whole "Hamp on Drink a Thing" would be a clusterfuck in another thread.

Probably someone brilliant and talented.*

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Metal-Beast wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 2:23pm:
I don't recall exactly, but I think someone might have mentioned that this whole "Hamp on Drink a Thing" would be a clusterfuck in another thread.

I'm pretty sure I said something to the effect that pausing DPS to drink a pot for the effect was a non-starter.

Did that stop the guy who wanted to put "Improved Fighter mechanics" on their resume, despite the fact that he hadn't?  No.  They fail at math, and that leads to other failures which math could have predicted for them.

A character standing at a practice kobold will never see this interruption in DPS.  So, all is well.
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I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Has anyone tried drinks from the tavern?  For a few cp you could buy 1000 of them and hot-key it.
  
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Reply #15 - May 19th, 2016 at 5:44pm
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Camaro1k95 wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm:
Has anyone tried drinks from the tavern?  For a few cp you could buy 1000 of them and hot-key it.


Do tavern drinks work in non-tavern areas?
  

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OldCoaly wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:44pm:
Do tavern drinks work in non-tavern areas?


I dont think they do. They also require you to stand still for several seconds to drink them.
  

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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2016 at 11:57pm
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Problem: Barbarians can heal themselves while fighters can't. Almost every class has a better option than "drink a potion". By "better", I mean faster.

Solution: Drink two potions!

Looks like the standard Turbine Fuck You.
  

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Revaulting wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 11:57pm:
Problem: Barbarians can heal themselves while fighters can't. Almost every class has a better option than "drink a potion". By "better", I mean faster.

Solution: Drink two potions!

Looks like the standard Turbine Fuck You.

Yep.  Fighters are a little better, but still a stepchild.  No one who wants to deliver DPS will choose the class, and the people who don't choose the class will survive better as well.

It's a waste of development time to make changes like this that don't have a real impact on the status quo.
  

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I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Frank wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 4:58am:
Yep.  Fighters are a little better, but still a stepchild.  No one who wants to deliver DPS will choose the class, and the people who don't choose the class will survive better as well.

It's a waste of development time to make changes like this that don't have a real impact on the status quo.



Wouldn't it have been great if they had an independent group of players who could provide honest feedback about this before it was developed or put live......
  
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PersonaNonGrata wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 6:16am:
Wouldn't it have been great if they had an independent group of players who could provide honest feedback about this before it was developed or put live......

There was plenty of good feedback on the forums about this.

But the core problem is that they go these routes that are stupid in the first place.  It should be as simple as laying out a goal, and then spitballing until they arrive at a way to get there.
Goal:  Fighters need more DPS and self healing to be competitive with other melee classes

And they don't manage to arrive at a solution which actually satisfies the goal in all parts, those being 'more DPS', 'more self healing', and 'competitive with other melee classes.'  They improved dps and self healing, but they didn't make the class competitive.

And it seems as though either pride, stubbornness, or a lack of development hours to make changes prevents them from taking the feedback they get from the players.  It's like they have this free crowd-sourcing option for defraying their development costs available to them, and they refuse to use it.

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Frank wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 4:58am:
Yep.  Fighters are a little better, but still a stepchild.  No one who wants to deliver DPS will choose the class, and the people who don't choose the class will survive better as well.


I find that 5 levels of fighter on a druid wolf build (9 druid, 6 ranger, 5 fighter) is actually much tougher than that 1 last level of druid. Stalwart Defender T5 is actually pretty neat, that +% HP is pretty great. I find that the defense from Stalwart Defender is pretty great compared to any other tree I could T5, even tempest.

Right now I have t5 in SD, a lot of points in tempest, hAMP and some STR from PDK, sneak dice from ranger's DWS, arrows from AA (in case I need arrows ever, 6 ranger gets multishot *shrug*), and idk where I put the rest. I feel pretty strong wearing absolute shit armor and mediocre gear, and can actually take hits at LE.

I agree fighters aren't the best right now, but in some builds, those extra feats can just turn into more natural fighting.
  

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Sailias wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 2:33pm:
I find that 5 levels of fighter on a druid wolf build (9 druid, 6 ranger, 5 fighter) is actually much tougher than that 1 last level of druid.

I'm not really sure what "that 1 last level of druid" means when you're only talking about 9 druid levels, but whatever.

I'm looking at the test dummy work Rubbins did.  Which might would be a bit higher for Fighters with the u31.1 changes, but since fighters were at the bottom of the DPS list I don't think it was enough to allow them to compete.  A fighter should deliver higher DPS than a paladin to be even considered viable, given that the paladin is a whole lot harder to kill due to huge saving throws over the fighter and a lot of self healing.

As for multi-classing, the fighter is very viable.  But that's not the point of the class, or any other class.  I've run many builds with a few levels of fighter.  Even 1 fighter level gives you a feat, and if you're using a shield anyway 2 feats since tower proficiency.  Fighters have the fairly classic front loaded advantages of providing a lot of feats for a small dip, but then the advantages go away as the good feats are all taken and you get feats from leveling anyway as any class, and other classes also provide class feats or the equivalent.

But being a good dip class does not mean that the fighter is a good class.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Frank wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
But being a good dip class does not mean that the fighter is a good class.


Isn't that the premise that monks were proxy nerfed on? Look at all these dips, monk must be OP!
  

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