Glenalth wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 11:01pm:

thanks. i didnt bother reading the dialogue. Not sure any one i quested with did either. Nor did any one post it here. Figured everyone did the same after they saw the devs made themselves bosses, saw the loot names, read the flavor text and then got sick to their stomach.

noamineo wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:35am:

No. If Turbine makes it, they will owe us an apology.

Still.

noamineo wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:47am:


Some sequels are as good or better.
Terminator 2, Aliens to name a few.

If DDO2 were produced by someone competent and who loved the genre like the old Bioware or LGS, it might have been ok.
But they're no more.

Reading the reviews here, Path Of Exile was done pretty well. Not perfect, but I didn't encounter any immersion destroying bugs in my play time.  That puts those devs a few miles in front of Turbine in my eyes.

It could be done and done well if they had the Infinite Crysis budget and resource, and no Turbine involvement (except to consult Sev by asking what he would do with DDO2 and then doing exactly the opposite).

Kype wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 4:08am:


Hi Welcome

Kype wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 4:08am:


That's my favorite answer to this problem.

noamineo wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:46pm:


I was playing Asheron's Call when the sequel came out.
It didn't last long! :p

noamineo wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:43am:


The question is, what level of duping and exploiting would be possible on an official Vault server?

Darkrok wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 5:10pm:


It wouldn't matter what level would be possible if everyone had the same access to it.

noamineo wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 6:36pm:

This actually makes a lot of sense, as a meta game.

noamineo wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:40am:


Lot of familiar themes on those forums, duping, where the fuck is our quarterly letter.....some things never change!

AC was a really kick ass game back in the day. (So was DDO!)

noamineo wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:29am:


There have been far stupider.

Flav wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:


This is actually far and away harder than it sounds. Rolling the game back to pre-MotU would be possible(assuming someone has that version of the game and patches lying around), but no way to add the content created since then. MAYBE the turbine devs could do it with a lot of work and complete access to the game source code, but it'd be impossible as a private server mod

Ok, almost impossible.



Flav wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:


Easy - drop rates are all just a field on a table, changing the drop rate for the Shard of the Sword of Shadow, for instance, is as simple as finding the value in the database and changing it from the current 0 to whatever you want, like say any number greater than 0. (Yes, I know the eSoS shard does drop, I've seen it, I'm being facitious, there's no reason to correct me).

Adding shard/seal/scroll mechanics to other items actually wouldn't be very hard either. Creating items using new visual effects is a PTA, but making a "new" item based on an existing model, especially if it's going to do the same thing, is actually really really easy.

It'd just be a matter of changing the drop rate on the finished item to 0 and creating a shard/seal/scroll in the loot table. Adding the "trade these 4 items for this item" section to the Stone of Change would also be pretty simple. The hardest part would probably be getting the new scrolls to drop the way the old ones do, but even if that's too difficult it'd just be a matter of tossing them in chests - not a huge problem.

Your 5-1 exchange might take a bit of macgyvering, but even that's pretty doable. You just need an NP or device that accepts them and the rest can be scripted. It's all plausible.


Flav wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:


Binding statuses are dealer's choice, I don't care too much one way or the other

But duping, well, it's not so much and issue of "money" as it is an issue of keeping people playing. If everyone only ever had to run a quest once for a specific ingredient or item, I think we'd pretty quickly see the server turn into an empty ghost town.

I like my idea of periodically toggling it. That way, finding and using exploits becomes a part of the game, but are not so prevalent that in time every single person knows they exist.

A mush harder, but also much more fun, element to add might even be if you could find a way to make the exsploits work for some people and not others, and have that change on a fairly random basis. So maybe today they work for me and not you, then tomorrow they work for you and no one else on the server, and so on.

noamineo wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:


*facetious

There's that reason to correct you.