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Two Paths DDO Could Go For The Expansion
Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:52am
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I was sent these about a week and a half ago. My source said I could post them now. Not sure why "now" exactly but here they are:

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Let me throw out a example, to see if people think it feels like an expansion. I just want to set expectations of what we might be talking about:

Let's say we did a Psionic themed expansion. I am not saying this is what we have decided on, I am just using this as example. (Though this is one of our ideas.) Here are the limits of what the team could achieve with the extra resources we could muster:

~ One big raid. End game and heroic version.
~ One small raid. End game and heroic version.
~ One outdoor/indoor landscape hunting and encounter area that drops upgrade materials; a large ruined Githyanki fortress floating in Astral space. (Normal gravity) End game and heroic version.
~ 10 Dungeons ranged from large to medium sized. (We know if we make 10 popcorn dungeons players won't be excited.) End game and heroic version.

~ Githyanki playable race.
~ Githzerai playable race.

~ Psi-Warrior. Includes all melee/missile based Psi. Soul-knife is wrapped into this class as a tree rather than its own class.
~ Psion. Include caster based Psi.
~ Obviously the above would need 50-60 new psionic powers (basically spells)
~ A new resource system that was fun but had a different vibe than straight mana or supplemented the psionic version of mana..

~ 2 new Epic Destinies for Psionics, and some meaningful tweaks to underperforming EDs (but not a pass)

~ 100 new treasure items (many with with augment slots)
~ A system for creating and upgrading new higher powered augments.


This assumes we keep putting out updates around every 3-4 months, with the update before the expansion being smaller and a lead in to the expansion.

Obviously if we didn't go with psionics, we could go heavier content and less systems. If we had two new races but no new class, for example, we could do more content or other systems stuff.

Would that be enough to excite you?

Sev~


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Keep in mind that we are trying to discuss scope, not specifics. The expansion could also be, assuming approval:

Ravenloft, the Demiplane of Dread

~ 2 large raids set in Castle Ravenloft (Heroic and Endgame) - Fight the Vampire Lord Strahd himself
~ 15 Ravenloft themed dungeons that visit many of the sub areas of Ravenloft (Heroic and Endgame)
~ A Ravenloft themed landscape

~ Aasimar playable race
~ Tiefling playable race

~ 100 loot items
~ Earn sentient weapons and learn to imbue your own weapons with sentient magic and improve its power with sentient shards

~ Monster Hunter Universal Tree
~ Two new Epic Destinies (along with ED tweaks to underperforming EDs)

Any expansion would have extra goodies (combat pet, out of combat pet, cosmetic items) you have come to expect with the xpac.

All the content could use a unified Dread mechanic to add flavor and difficulty.

As you can see above, this set up would have just as much work, and is definitely more content focused. Though it has less player options, and only the new races to draw players back to the game. It also has fewer bullet points to give it depth - but that's because we make the conscious decision to not dissect content so players can experience it in game. Something like this might have to be tweaked, of course. I am just trying to give the PC a scope of what we could accomplish if we did an expansion. We wouldn't want to move in that direction is players, overall, would be disappointed with the scope.

Sev~


I prefer the Ravenloft & Aasimar/Tiefling option but Psionics could be cool too.
  

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Reply #1 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:22am
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Yeah I posted the whole Ravenloft idea as a pre-cursor to cycling through all PNP expansion packs, and it became abundantly clear no one here knows what the fuck that is.  Also, these faggots are too busy playing Pokemon to do anything else, so...
  
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They haven't been able to accomplish this in the last two years with resources, how the fuck could they hope to do it now?

Why would sentient weapons be exclusive to Ravenloft option?

100 new loot items - if they use the same loot person they currently use, who fucking cares.

Chup, if this is true and a not a troll, then Novalis is going to have to revise his doom timetable...

I'm leaning toward troll sorry, as there is no way they could hope to achieve either of those options AND produce 3-4 month content drops.
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PersonaNonGrata wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:25am:
Chup, if this is true and a not a troll


He just...can't...tell.
  
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[] wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:22am:
Yeah I posted the whole Ravenloft idea as a pre-cursor to cycling through all PNP expansion packs, and it became abundantly clear no one here knows what the fuck that is.  Also, these faggots are too busy playing Pokemon to do anything else, so...


Someone is jelly that mummy wouldn't give him the app...
  
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PersonaNonGrata wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:28am:
Someone is jelly that mummy wouldn't give him the app...


Did you pull your head out long enough to discern whether or not this is a troll thread, you stupid fuck?
  
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If this is true then my vote goes to Psionics!
  

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these expansions are nothing more than a balloon in bubba's hands

  

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Reply #8 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:44am
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WTF ?

if they add the Psions, Kalashtars are a must have, not some fucking obscure monster as Playable race.

and from the list it looks like the first one is far more probable than the second one.... It's more detailed.

Oh and last : The Sentient Weapon Code is already in the game files... so it's not as if it was going to be tough to add.

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usage: /sentientitem makesentient [slots] [affinity] [sphere1, sphere2 .. ]
usage: /sentientitem addslot [SlotWC]
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Reply #9 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 2:02am
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Scrotie McBoogerballs wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:52am:
I was sent these about a week and a half ago. My source said I could post them now. Not sure why "now" exactly but here they are:


Thanks for sharing.

Both of those examples look to be well beyond the current capabilities of Turbine to produce.  Especially with the mention of maintaining their regular irregular development cycle.  They still haven't fixed all the bugs in the past 3+ releases, including NRL, which is the basis for NewCC.  A house built on a foundation of sand can never stand long, and that's what they are trying to do by putting any effort at all into NewCC while NRL is still chock full of bugs.
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 11:20am
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Two new Epic Destinies? Where would they go? Each Sphere already has three.

I wonder if Sev meant two new "Enhancement Trees"? One for Favored Soul and one for Artificer. Both of those classes only have two trees now whille all the other classes have three.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I think I'd rather have Tieflings and Aasimars BUT Psionics could be a much more radical idea and may do a better job of attracting old players back to the game and even new players to try the game.

Hmmm...tough choice.
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Reply #11 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:58pm
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I would bet money on Psionics just because they seem more easily monetised with a third resource to manage. The "it's not SP but you'll be casting re-skinned spells on the cheap" seems like a line of new pots in the making to sell alongside the new classes.

Maybe that's just a bit too cynical.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:19pm
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kum-gulp wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:58pm:
I would bet money on Psionics just because they seem more easily monetised with a third resource to manage. The "it's not SP but you'll be casting re-skinned spells on the cheap" seems like a line of new pots in the making to sell alongside the new classes.

Maybe that's just a bit too cynical.


Psionics in DDO should work more like Ki than SP, You have a small amount and constantly gain them back as you quest {obviously it would need to be a much higher rate than in PnP because of the speed of the game comparatively}.

I'd start out with 3 of the 5 Psionic Schools set up with 3 Enhancement Trees:

Psychokineticist: {Int Based} DPS Caster, Kinetic Control based Defense.

Telepath: {Wis Based} DC Caster, Massive Will Saves, Immunities to many Enchantments

Psychometabolist: {Con Based} Shape-changing, Healing, Melee DPS

Then have Psychoportation and Clairsentience be secondary Powers available to any of the 3 types but Telepaths won't be able to use Kinetic or Metabolic Powers and the Kineticists and Metabolists won't be able to use Telepathy or the other.
The Trees would obviously still have stuff in them that the other two types could use but the main focus should be on their main tree.

This would give us 3 distinct Psionic Builds.
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PersonaNonGrata wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:25am:
They haven't been able to accomplish this in the last two years with resources, how the fuck could they hope to do it now?

Chup, if this is true and a not a troll, then Novalis is going to have to revise his doom timetable...

I'm leaning toward troll sorry, as there is no way they could hope to achieve either of those options AND produce 3-4 month content drops.


No need to make a revision. Just because DDO is still plodding along doesn't mean it isn't dead. Currently on one of the busiest servers there were only 5 lfm's for all levels. They really expect to tackle Ravenloft or give us psionics when the current team consists of one dev, a producer that has seen the end of many MMO's and a fucking forum janitor? They really expect winning back the loyalty of all the players they managed to alienate in less than a year after 10 years of gameplay?

If this isn't a troll, this is a serious fucking delusion and not surprising it's Sev commiserating with the useless appendage of yes-bois on the PC. And consider the objective. It's not going to be about creating amazing content. It's going to be about sucking that last red cent in exchange of a half baked and paltry return. Maybe instead of going out slowly, they're just gonna fuck up the game so much and blame the "Immanent Crisis" like shut down on being 'too overly ambitious'.  Roll Eyes
  
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Though it has less player options, and only the new races to draw players back to the game.

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We wouldn't want to move in that direction is players, overall, would be disappointed with the scope.

Neither of these two sentences sound like anything Sev would publicly post.  He has been fairly upfront and honest at times.  But there is no way he's going to mention trying to get players back, because that would acknowledge the failure of so many players leaving.  And when the hell have they ever given a shit if players will be disappointed or not.  We've seen legitimate PC leaks where they've outright ignored the majority opinion and went the other way, and the official info release resulted in the same outcome as the majority PC response.  They fucking did it anyway. 

So unless we get exactly one of those things - or get a legitimate screen grab from the mother board - I'm calling bullshit.
  
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Fuck pisionics and Fran go Ravenloft.
  

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ThereIsNoSpoon wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 4:24pm:
Neither of these two sentences sound like anything Sev would publicly post.  He has been fairly upfront and honest at times.  But there is no way he's going to mention trying to get players back, because that would acknowledge the failure of so many players leaving.  And when the hell have they ever given a shit if players will be disappointed or not.  We've seen legitimate PC leaks where they've outright ignored the majority opinion and went the other way, and the official info release resulted in the same outcome as the majority PC response.  They fucking did it anyway. 

So unless we get exactly one of those things - or get a legitimate screen grab from the mother board - I'm calling bullshit.

My understanding, from reading the two "posts" is that Sev didn't post these "publicly." They were posted "privately" on the PC board. A screenshot of the posts would be nice but the last time someone did that here, they were identified and booted from the PC.
  

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Technomage wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 7:51pm:
My understanding, from reading the two "posts" is that Sev didn't post these "publicly." They were posted "privately" on the PC board. A screenshot of the posts would be nice but the last time someone did that here, they were identified and booted from the PC.


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The DDO Vault has moles inside the PC forum. Sevpay's counterintelligence strategy takes this into account.

The guy who sent this has VERY few posts (single digits) on the Vault.

It *could* be disinformation but I'm guessing not.
  

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I never cease to be amazed at the horrible decisions Turbine is capable of.  I just said 3 days ago that psion in DDO would inevitably be crap, and lo and behold, they've been discussing it in the PC.

FranOhmsford wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:39am:
If this is true then my vote goes to Psionics!


Of course you'd want the Psions, Fran - it's the stupid one.  Here is why:

Mr Reilly wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 8:23pm:
When all of you say you want a psionic class I really get the feeling you're not remembering that this would be programmed by Turbine.

You're not gonna get a psion.  You're gonna get a spellcaster with sonic SLAs, charm person, and warforged weapon attachment reskinned as graft.  It will be OP, but it's not gonna be a psion.


I can already tell that's gonna be the one they pick though, cause it's the one they can fuck up the most.

How are they gonna implement all of the telekinetics?  Are you going to be able to pull levers from a distance?  Nope.  Are you going to be able to lift other players up to areas they wouldn't normally be able to reach?  Nope.  Are you going to be able to cast sonic blast and 'pretend' it came from your brain?  Fuck yeah!

Give them finger of death and call it something kinky instead.  Give it to them at level 11.  Hell, give it them at level 7.  They can tell all of the wizards in DDO to go fuck themselves like they did when they gave warlocks wail at level 16.  "Why are you even playing a wizard that uses finger," they'll say.  "Reroll your caster as a shiradi and just spam magic missile."

None of the appeal of the psion class in D&D will translate to DDO in a way that hasn't already been accomplished by Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock, or any of the other classes.

I'm now watching the train wreck before it happens.  If I can say anything, now, before they start fucking it all up, it's this.  Please, Severlin, please do not use spell points with psions.  I should not be able to cross class as a wizard/psion and use spell points from wizard for psion abilities.  That would literally be the stupidest thing ever, and I've no doubt you'll disappoint me.
  

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I would probably never look at Ravenloft the same way after it is bastardized and broken apart by them, and I really love Ravenloft and would be sad for it to be treated as badly as it will be. I REALLY REALLY hope they don't get permission for it.
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Hell, according to Sev they're only months away from releasing another shitty half completed rehashed and regurgitated version of a great classic module, the Drow Slave Lords. Replete with a new collectable and crafting system! Been only 8 months since the release of the amazing legendary greensteel our only partially visible dev Steelstar announced all the way back in April 2015. They had 8 months to get it right and guess what we got upon delivery? I'm actually looking forward to seeing if we get this update before we go hopping to the next peanut and corn riddled log rumored to be drifting our direction.
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Mr Reilly wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 9:01pm:
You're not gonna get a psion.  You're gonna get a spellcaster with sonic SLAs, charm person, and warforged weapon attachment reskinned as graft.  It will be OP, but it's not gonna be a psion.

I feel like you just spoiled the preview.
  

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Novalis wrote on Jul 31st, 2016 at 12:47am:
Replete with a new collectable and crafting system!

Unless the collectables are slaves and the crafting is collars for more slaves, it's gonna be a crock.
Fuck the lesliewest player house BS, I want a slave pen where I can beat the slaves into carrying my TR cache through quests for me. That way I might log in this summer.
  
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