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Reply #25 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:25am
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Here on the Vault the only intresting build I've ever read was the Terror build, and I hardly belive it is as good as you claim
  
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Reply #26 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:28am
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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:11am:
because he never made a pure barb, or pally on his thread?


Or maybe becuz the buids he posted were not so obvious  Roll Eyes

99% of the so called "good builds" here are either so obvious that are universally known or are just taking advantage of broken features. So at the end we have some obvious builds and some cheesy ridiculously broken and OP builds that don't require any building skills to make it, just taking advantage of turdbine incompetence with the code  Kiss

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I'm pretty sure it is safe to say that KNN has brought a BUNCH of stupid from users on this forum out in the open

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Reply #28 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:40am
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:25am:
Here on the Vault the only intresting build I've ever read was the Terror build, and I hardly belive it is as good as you claim

Same for any build thread then. All of the criteria you mentioned that make a build thread obvious can be directly applied to those threads as well.
  

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Reply #29 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:41am
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:20am:
No, because in that thread there were useful builds with something outside the box.

like?
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #30 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:41am
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Or maybe becuz the buids he posted were not so obvious 

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Re: Possible to mass charm P2 shroud?
Reply #31 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 11:40am
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:25am:
Now compare to all the very good builds posted on the mobos. Sestra's thread alone was better than the whole Vault. Those are actually builds, not "builds" like 5FS shit that is so obvious I can't even bother reading

Edit: if you didn't understand, what I mean is that this (http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1426045070) kind of thing is not a build, it's a "build". If you need to read a thread like that to make a pure paladin you have serious problems


Because we never see people ask for a pally build.  Cheesy

And I never see noobs on their pure barb running the OS capstone whining that Barb is a bad class.  Cheesy

I agree "No-Brainer" is rather straightforward. It is named that for a reason. Still it seems newbs tend to gimp DPS for a paltry amount of mitigation by focusing on defender and vanguard.

I post builds regardless of how "obvious" they are. First, because if I'm going to run it, I want to try and optimize it. Once I figure out the way I like it, I want it stored somewhere online so that I can't lose it. Second, since I'm putting it on the net, I might as well post it publicly. This helps newbs be better and is good for the overall health of the game. Also, if I happen to type it wrong or make a suboptimal build choice, someone can point it out. Third, it saves me time if when someone asks me for build advice I can just copy paste a url instead of hand-holding in voice chat or retyping the whole build.
  

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Reply #32 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 1:25pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 11:40am:
Because we never see socks ask for a pally build. Cheesy  And I never see noobs on their pure barb running the OS capstone whining that Barb is a bad class. 


Nubblings don't come to the vault, they go to the shithole forums, only socks & retards come here ( and Noamineo, he's a "special" category LOL  Grin)
  

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Reply #33 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 3:44am
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:25am:
Now compare to all the very good builds posted on the mobos. Sestra's thread alone was better than the whole Vault.


Build #1 Sestra - 12 Monk, 6 Ranger, 2 Paladin. Lawful Good. Halfling. Arcane Archer. Fury of the Wild.
Build #2 Sestra - 15 Monk, 4 Paladin, 1 Fighter. Lawful Good. Halfling. Shintao. Unarmed Melee. Legendary Dreadnaught.
Build #3 Sestra - 18 Paladin, 1 Ranger, 1 Fighter. Lawful Good. Human. THF with Maul. KotC. Divine Crusader/Legendary Dreadnought.
Build #4 Sestra - 12 monk, 6 Ranger, 2 Paladin. Lawful Good. Halfling. Arcane Archer. Fury of the Wild.
Build #5 Sestra - 14 Paladin, 6 monk. Lawful Good. Elf. Arcane Archer. Fury of the Wild.

I can't go on anymore, its making me sad such a talented player didn't branch out from the evasion/divine grace crutch and make a real build.

I honestly never considered that a build thread because I thought 2 pali 2 monk 16x wasn't something anyone needed help with. But apparently I was wrong.



That's what I consider a real build looks like. It combines classes and abilities in new and unconventional ways, like a non-raged barb, non-casting non-bursting ES warlock, non-kensai non-weapon specialized fighter, doing melee damage in non-LD/DC, TWF with a tower shield equiped. Real builds make up for build weaknesses not by using the evasion/dg crutch that no one needs help with, but by actually building around them, such as using sprints, cleaves, and other movement to make up for tree form slowness, or warlock temporary HP to make up for the inability to cast heals in tree form.


Maybe the druid Riftmaker build was slightly off-center. I shoulda recommended using an SoS as well as an alternate weapon... Someone has to test the theory so we will know how good it is. Smiley I'm guessing the x7-8 vorpals on Supreme Cleave in wolf form with balanced attacks and combat brute doubling damage again is going to do some awesome spike damage.
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Re: Possible to mass charm P2 shroud?
Reply #34 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:08am
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That's what I consider a real build looks like. It combines classes and abilities in new and unconventional ways, like a non-raged barb, non-casting non-bursting ES warlock, non-kensai non-weapon specialized fighter, doing melee damage in non-LD/DC, TWF with a tower shield equiped. Real builds make up for build weaknesses not by using the evasion/dg crutch that no one needs help with, but by actually building around them, such as using sprints, cleaves, and other movement to make up for tree form slowness, or warlock temporary HP to make up for the inability to cast heals in tree form.


What a genious! I bet you're the first who ever thought of spliting 3 barb for an extra cleave or warlock for temp HP, they should give you a prize! LOL  Grin Grin Grin

Oh but you have forgot the most important stuff !!! None of that would work if trees weren't so ridicously broken  Wink. So all your suposed building skills would mean nothing if not for turbine incompetence. Actually the build itself would be pure shit if not for that detail  Cheesy

Anyway if someone needs to play that kind of broken shit to rock the game nowadays he's probably not a great player and, certainly, not someone who looks for challenge. You can play any non broken well build class/toon and still own the game with only average playing skills.

Deal with it, Faggots  Cool
  

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I'm pretty sure it is safe to say that KNN has brought a BUNCH of stupid from users on this forum out in the open

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Reply #35 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:18am
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knn, why you letting dis fagg parody you? If I were you I'd slap the shit out of him.
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #36 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:19am
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #37 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 1:29pm
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Anyway if someone needs to play that kind of broken shit to rock the game nowadays he's probably not a great player and, certainly, not someone who looks for challenge.


Coming from the person surgically attached to the 2 monk 2 pali teat, that's rich.

Besides, it's immensely challenging pulling to red alert, and avoiding getting dazed with strategic use of sprints and wings and movement while continuing to pull to see how few fights you can kill an entire dungeon in. Do you have any idea how hard it is to open a door with 30 mobs beating on your back?
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Reply #38 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:16pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:41am:
like?


like this. https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/429975-Sestra-s-Build-Thread

Now I ask you what is intresting in the vault? I didn't say all his builds are like that, but when the ONLY build with something interesting here from the vault is the terror one
  
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Reply #39 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:21pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 11:40am:
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Oh honey why are you going down so fast? I just mentioned you because in another post Nubbins mentioned your barb build. And if you are posting that kind of basic stuff here because people ask and blabla, it doesn't make the Vault great, it just makes it a forum for newbies/noobs... than it's a fucking forums for noobs.

YOU GUYS CAN'T GET THE POINT?? THIS IS AN UNDERGOUND FORUM, IT SHOULD BE EXCEPTED VERY COMPLEX SHIT HERE
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Reply #40 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:28pm
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:21pm:
YOU GUYS CAN'T GET THE POINT?? THIS IS AN UNDERGOUND FORUM, IT SHOULD BE EXCEPTED VERY COMPLEX SHIT HERE

he mad
  

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Reply #41 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:32pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:40am:
Same for any build thread then. All of the criteria you mentioned that make a build thread obvious can be directly applied to those threads as well.


The builds that made a huge impact on the game were all in the mobos and not here. Sithali's builds, Juggernaut, Cetus and so on. Of course today the passed classes are very basic, jsut obvious feats and done, but even today the best builds come from mobos. In fact there is not a single build from the vault I would ever consider doing, but there are many from the mother boards. And no people didn't start doing bugged wolves because it was posted here someday, in fact since the first day Lamma was open it was stated in the Lama thread it was bugged.

Only intresting thing in the vault used to be the exploits, but there aren't any really good exploits for some years now. Without the exploits these forums are only a bunch old school idiots who think you are better than everyone but can't get shit done in game.
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
And no people didn't start doing bugged wolves because it was posted here someday, in fact since the first day Lamma was open it was stated in the Lama thread it was bugged.

was done before that and before swf. Munk has entire threads on it from long ago. But Lelo's split was fleshed out here and then posted and that is the build almost every user is.

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I didn't say all his builds are like that,

which in particular do you consider not to be like that?
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:38pm:
was done before that and before swf. Munk has entire threads on it from long ago. But Lelo's split was fleshed out here and then posted and that is the build almost every user is.

which in particular do you consider not to be like that?


- No it wasn't. Since the first day you could buy swf in lamma it was already there, but maybe they deleted and you think they posted it here first. Saying everyone uses that build is just as idiotic as saying every barb uses Zodaroth's build.

- Why do you care? My point is that the level of the Vault is very basic, no better than the mother boards, or maybe even more basic. You don't see any advanced stuff here, while you see sometimes there. His ranged builds were better than most of the shit you could find here at the time.
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Reply #44 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:53pm
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Since the first day you could buy swf in lamma it was already there, but maybe they deleted and you think they posted it here first.

What and who?

  

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Reply #45 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 4:39pm
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The builds that made a huge impact on the game were all in the mobos and not here. Sithali's builds, Juggernaut, Cetus and so on. Of course today the passed classes are very basic, jsut obvious feats and done, but even today the best builds come from mobos. In fact there is not a single build from the vault I would ever consider doing, but there are many from the mother boards. And no people didn't start doing bugged wolves because it was posted here someday, in fact since the first day Lamma was open it was stated in the Lama thread it was bugged.Only intresting thing in the vault used to be the exploits, but there aren't any really good exploits for some years now. Without the exploits these forums are only a bunch old school idiots who think you are better than everyone but can't get shit done in game.




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I bet you're the first who ever thought of spliting 3 barb for an extra cleave or warlock for temp HP, they should give you a prize! LOL  Grin Grin Grin
Oh but you have forgot the most important stuff !!! None of that would work if trees weren't so ridicously broken



For that build, I kindof think I deserve one! Besides, how is treeform any more broken than ranged adrenaline or DG/evasion that Sestra's builds are all centered around?

At some point, I am going to take an enchanter into shroud and charm all the trogs and use them as my portal beaters. Not because it is necessary. Just because I can.
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Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 2:21pm:
Oh honey why are you going down so fast? I just mentioned you because in another post Nubbins mentioned your barb build. And if you are posting that kind of basic stuff here because people ask and blabla, it doesn't make the Vault great, it just makes it a forum for newbies/noobs... than it's a fucking forums for noobs.

YOU GUYS CAN'T GET THE POINT?? THIS IS AN UNDERGOUND FORUM, IT SHOULD BE EXCEPTED VERY COMPLEX SHIT HERE


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Reply #48 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 5:27pm
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Sigh...so much hate but I really do agree with Vaultaccount here...these supposed uber builders, like Tilo, are well known players in Cannith...not well known for being great players that you want in your LE raid groups though...well known for being leg hard players at best on these supposed Uber unique builds that take months to flesh out...

I am really not trying to hate here, but if you go around proclaiming godliness on builds then back it up with a video at least not just screen shots of big numbers that means jack shit...

And why the fuck would you splash Druid on a barb...barbs are good enough as they are now...same with sorc...anyone saying sorcs are so shit and this and that have no idea or flat out lack skill...

I think people on here are so high on their own supply that they actually lost the plot completely...
  
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