Instead of grouping and killing all the trash, would it be theoritically possible to mass charm/symbol of persuasion them all to fight the P2 bosses, and heal them all with consecrate?

Charming doesn't last long on Epic/Legendary (regardless of DC).
Not sure what difficulty you were considering but for LN you need not bother and for LE you don't want 1 shotting mobs breaking charm uncontrollably.

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The insanely brief duration of charm at LE and LH makes it a wash.

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PC's do much more DPS than LE mobs so they wouldn't hold agro in any case.

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 12:59am:



Dancing balls won't control the mobs that break in it. The mobs will have to leave the dancing ball and go back in or step in a new one for it to effect them.


Steel wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2016 at 7:48pm:


This.


I believe it won't work and will cause more harm than good not to mention you need some order there so you can time their kills. Best strategies are often the simple ones, CC the trash -> kill it -> kill bosses together -> get crystal.

SayWhatAgain wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 3:06am:

Fuck. Seriously?

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 8:17am:


I guess the devs don't want you to cheese their cheesy mobs with their own cheesy mobs. The irony.

Thx for testing. Was thinking of speeding up P1, P2, and P5 on my lock. Might try it anyways on other phases. Feed on Magic is unlimited spell points so have them to burn. Of course, then I'd have to change my build around...

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How will charming speed things up in Shroud Tilo? Are you running LE or LH or LN?

With a lock on LH or LN everything is basically oneshot anyways or dies so fast. Without a Lock on LN or LH everything does so fast anyway.

On LE you can speedrun shroud in about 30 minutes - this is done regularly on the server you play on (guild runs/static though)

If you plan on pugging LE Shroud on Canntih...good luck is all I can say. (you are Tilomere/Tilomare on Cannith I assume)

I fail to see how charming has any use in there?? Unless you want to somehow solo it on your lock?

eighnuss wrote on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:


That's true. Just see his advice for a poor noob in the build section: he wants people to splash druid on a barb so that on single target you play as a wolf and for multiple you play as a barb. I had a big response written for that thread, but I decided to not post it, just because... poor Tilo, so naive, so naive, why hurt him? I already feel bad for saying on another thread that I have never seen any of his builds work in pratice.

But it's a commom vault desease: people in these boards always exagerate how good your builds are, like if you had that awewsome combo in hands. And you guys think these boards are superior to the mobos. Seriously I have yet to see a good build here (that wasn't posted in the mobos before).

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 8^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:


only because we keep out sycophants.

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 8^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

There were a few. but it's not why we consider this forum better. In case you were wondering:

trees where only posted here before the mobos.

swf pallies only here before the mobos and before the nerfs

5fs barb here before the mobos

terror xbow

highest dps wolf never even on the mobos

lelo's 9/6/5 and 10/6/4 wolf here before the mobos

u mad bro?

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 8^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:



So much game wrecking stuff has come out of here, you know it's a good build when the devs have to tweak it.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 8^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:


Yeah right I wasn't considering the obvious builds. You don't need a thread to make any of those, like swf pally, barb or wolf. In fact, I have made many of them and have never read about it, I just, "meh I want to do a wolf".. 2 mins and boom - done. The only complicated one that I would bother go read a thread before doing is the terror one but I highly doubt that thing is any good.

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:22am:

you dont need a thread to make any build.

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

because he never made a pure barb, or pally on his thread?

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:11am:


No, because in that thread there were useful builds with something outside the box.