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Re: Someone is drinking the kool-aid (probably spiked)
Reply #50 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 8:18am
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We'll be 3D printing our clones before we cure cancer.
  

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Reply #51 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:32am
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Frank wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 12:54am:
I prefer the longevity stories I've heard:
The little old lady, when asked her secret, said she has a glass of brandy every night.
The octogenarian who says he enjoys a cigar and a bourbon each day.
The ancient Scotsman who says he enjoys a wee dram of scotch on an evening, and maybe a bit more.
The 100+ year old German who swears his daily stein of beer is the secret of his longevity.

My plan is to live forever by enjoying each day a glass of brandy, a cigar and a bourbon, a wee dram of scotch and maybe a bit more, and a stein of beer.

It might not actually work, but I'll be living until the end, damnit!




Well there is a fun tale I recall hearing of an old man who lived to be like a 180 a simple country farmer. A king upon hearing of the mans great age invited him to a royal banquet to ask his secret.

As they sat down to the meal the king asked. The old man said it was due to drinking only water and eating only fresh vegetables meat and potatoes. He then was served a rich royal meal and fell over dead after one bite.

Also Nikola Tesla once said drinking a glass of whisky a day would extend his life span considerably and he did outlive rivals like Edison and died a spry old man who got hit by a car while in the process of selling the us government his death ray supposedly and died from that. So who knows how long he might of lasted otherwise.
  
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Reply #52 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:44am
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Meursault wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:57pm:
yeah, there was just some lady who flew to South America to bypass human experimentation laws and give herself the treatment she is developing. The problem is that the cells with the least telomer decay are cancer cells, so maybe she just evolved into a cancer spore pod. I wouldn't want to be sitting next to her on the flight back.


Well interesting enough is that cancer may not be something to cure so much as control. Nothing can produce new cell and tissue at the rate cancer does. And it can do it virtually anywhere in our bodies. When we imagine e characters like say dead pool and wolverine e from comics capable of regeneration of limbs and organs cancer cells if one could program them to repairs and replace rather then destroy would be less far fetched then things like powdered pig matrix which actually is being used for regeneration experiments successfully.

On a side note I find it interesting that humans can be said to have evolved to tolerate radiation. Radiation seems connected to causing cancer by most research. Radiation has also been suggested to be a major factor in the evolution of humans. Perhaps cancer is simply natures way of removing those less tolerant of radiation from the gene pool.
  
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Reply #53 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:46am
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 8:18am:
We'll be 3D printing our clones before we cure cancer.


Maybe it will be cancer cells we use as the material to build with perhaps like how they do it in the fifth element at the beginning.
  
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Re: Someone is drinking the kool-aid (probably spiked)
Reply #54 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 8:26pm
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karavek wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:44am:
On a side note I find it interesting that humans can be said to have evolved to tolerate radiation. Radiation seems connected to causing cancer by most research. Radiation has also been suggested to be a major factor in the evolution of humans. Perhaps cancer is simply natures way of removing those less tolerant of radiation from the gene pool.

No.


karavek wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:46am:
Maybe it will be cancer cells we use as the material to build with perhaps like how they do it in the fifth element at the beginning.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
  

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Reply #55 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:18am
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Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:53pm:
1000 years is fringe indeed.  But there have been studies done that strongly suggest that a very spare and plain diet with a modest exercise regimen (as in, take a 20 minute walk after each meal) can extend lifespans by 20+ years.
Plus no drugs, alcohol, or stimulants of any kind including coffee or tea.

The only question remaining is philosophical one:  Is such a life worth living at all, much less 20+ years of living hell longer?


1,000 years is science fiction.  As Revaulting pointed out, it doesn't matter how pure your diet and exercise is, our cells break down over time due to more than just diet and exercise.

If it were possible to live for extreme times just due to diet and exercise, then in our relatively peaceful times, many islander and isolated cultural still living agrarian/nomadic lifestyles would have people well over 100.

I think the origin of the study you refer to might have been the study of the residents of Okinawa who have average lifespans well above most western cultures, attributed in part to a basic diet and some regular exercise.

If the extra 20 years is quality, like the Okinawans, then count me in.
If it is just an extra 20 years at the end, lying in a bed in a semi-vegetative state wearing a diaper and drooling inanely to myself for 20 years - no thanks.

Modern medicine and technology is extending our lifespans, but for many, it is just living longer in a crappy state and being a burden on our families.

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Re: Someone is drinking the kool-aid (probably spiked)
Reply #56 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 8:05am
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PersonaNonGrata wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:18am:
1,000 years is science fiction.  As Revaulting pointed out, it doesn't matter how pure your diet and exercise is, our cells break down over time due to more than just diet and exercise.


I definitely agree... your geneset has a finite lifetime, and so far medecine ( or anything else ) is not able to increase it. ( mine seems to have a life expectancy around 80ish years for males and 90ish for females )


The worst that can happen is by the conjunction of bad diet and/or being subject to dangerous components ( in the biological sense ) your geneset life
expectancy is lowered. So far there's no way to raise it.



  

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Reply #57 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 9:58am
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PersonaNonGrata wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:18am:
If it is just an extra 20 years at the end, lying in a bed in a semi-vegetative state wearing a diaper and drooling inanely to myself for 20 years - no thanks.

Because DDO will be dead by then?
  

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Reply #58 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:05am
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Please research the annual life science conference where every year some of the worlds best and brightest minds congregate to discuss this topic. And I rather doubt any of you are in their league.

All the things you've talked about are things even current science are on the brink of overcoming. Yes our body as do all things naturally decay. However decay is not thought by these minds to be an inevitable event but a flaw that can be overcome.

Recall how in the 90s mapping the human genome was extreme sci fi. Now its a past event that seems almost trivial compared to the most cutting edge research of today. Using a retro virus also known as gene therapy may well one day lead us to simply turning off the decay. Some think using a chip in our brain to manually control the bodies own chemical releases could be the key to anti aging and a cure for many mental health issues caused by chemical imbalances. Some theorize that it will be protein based nanites being a new super form of internal repair that will be the key. Maybe it will be all of the above.

And even though I'm a huge fan of firefly and serenity I'm afraid I don't hold to captain mals view. I do believe we can and will make people better. Homo superior isn't fiction it's our fate we will create.
  
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Reply #59 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:20am
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Another aspect consider the huge advances made in connecting our minds to computers directly. Concepts like when a scientist put his mind into data's body in STTNG or more recently when chappie did it for his creator at the end of Chappie may really not be so far off. Quantum computers are very likely the first step and are no longer the science fiction that data's positronic matrix was thirty years ago. Leaving behind our flawed organics shell may well be part of it and the world seen in the ghost in the shell may become our reality.

Even space exploration companies are researching all these things because short of FTL travel its only by making us nigh immortal that will let us spread out across the stars as we must if we wish pur species to outlast this silly little world so many seem desperate to cling to. This world will die one day albeit many millions of years from now when the sun does. We don't have to end with it and we alone can play celestial Noah and save the genetic code of all other life. Do not fret over things going extinct today do not fear using up this worlds resources if its in the persuit of leaving earth behind. This planet is but a giant peach we are traveling through space upon and just as with James and his friends one day it will rot away no matter what.
  
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Reply #60 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:33am
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You remind me of another talkative poster here.
  
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Reply #61 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm
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kum-gulp wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:33am:
You remind me of another talkative poster here.

Oh look another who assumes only socks must like to bullshit and banter gawd forbid a new comer steps into the prison yard ready to hold his own. I am karavek here and was originally on the turbine forums before I went out with a blaze of glory in a thread I started in response to the extreme prejudice be turbine tried to little to late that was entitled if you want to ban someone start with me. And all they did was perma ban my forum account they didn't even give me an in game vacation oh and their attempt to remove duped items misses most of what I'd duped but did take many years worth of events legit mats which to their expert eye must of been duped. Oh my lol was great over that. If I cared to ever log into DDO again I'd still be sitting on more of a boards then I could spend in another ten years should the walking corpse still be plodding along.

Go look up a thread I started long ago called a cleric tied to a chair. A good twenty plus pages of classic forum drama centered around divine casters and their players being meant for more then supporting the loudmouth mana sponges.

You will see my post style and tendency to ramble and rant is largely unchanged and my arrogant nature prevent ts me from changing into a sock. In fact the alt accounts I used after karavek was banned from those forums got banned specifically because I frequently stated I was in fact karavek on an alt handle and QQing bitches chose to take the cheap shot report rather then argue it out like real forum-fu warriors.
  
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Re: Someone is drinking the kool-aid (probably spiked)
Reply #62 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 1:03pm
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karavek wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm:
Oh look another who assumes only socks must like to bullshit and banter gawd forbid a new comer steps into the prison yard ready to hold his own. I am karavek here and was originally on the turbine forums before I went out with a blaze of glory in a thread I started in response to the extreme prejudice be turbine tried to little to late that was entitled if you want to ban someone start with me. And all they did was perma ban my forum account they didn't even give me an in game vacation oh and their attempt to remove duped items misses most of what I'd duped but did take many years worth of events legit mats which to their expert eye must of been duped. Oh my lol was great over that. If I cared to ever log into DDO again I'd still be sitting on more of a boards then I could spend in another ten years should the walking corpse still be plodding along.

Go look up a thread I started long ago called a cleric tied to a chair. A good twenty plus pages of classic forum drama centered around divine casters and their players being meant for more then supporting the loudmouth mana sponges.

You will see my post style and tendency to ramble and rant is largely unchanged and my arrogant nature prevent ts me from changing into a sock. In fact the alt accounts I used after karavek was banned from those forums got banned specifically because I frequently stated I was in fact karavek on an alt handle and QQing bitches chose to take the cheap shot report rather then argue it out like real forum-fu warriors.


This was my 150 post here on the vault.
  
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Reply #63 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 2:15pm
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Karavek is posting high on psychedelic mushrooms again.  And also again invoking his cleric tied to a chair thread which nobody knows or remembers but makes himself feel important? So odd. Winning.
  
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Reply #64 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 3:29pm
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platfarmchink wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
Karavek is posting high on psychedelic mushrooms again.  And also again invoking his cleric tied to a chair thread which nobody knows or remembers but makes himself feel important? So odd. Winning.


Actually I mention it again because again so.e vaultie seem convinced I'm just some old vaultie sock and that thread contains  plenty of posts by me that should act to substantiate that my posting style hasn't really varied ever. Except here the restraints come off.

Also many seemed to find that thread fairly drama worthy back in the day and if you Google a cleric tied to a chair you get my thread and some fun kinky stuff as a side helping Wink
  
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Reply #65 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 5:17pm
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karavek wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm:
Oh look

No thanks.

karavek wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm:
Go look up a thread

No thanks.

TL:DR. You remind me of another talkative poster here.
  
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Gay and retarded?
  

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Reply #67 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 6:34pm
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karavek wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:05am:
I do believe we can and will make people better. Homo superior isn't fiction it's our fate we will create.

You are insane.  Humanity will poison its own environment and drive itself into extinction because some people who are already wealthy want to be even more wealthy.

Animals ignorant of climate change know better than to shit where they live.  We have crafted an entire culture based on rewarding those who shit the largest turds right where they live.
  

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I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Reply #68 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:02pm
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Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 6:34pm:
You are insane.  Humanity will poison its own environment and drive itself into extinction because some people who are already wealthy want to be even more wealthy.

Animals ignorant of climate change know better than to shit where they live.  We have crafted an entire culture based on rewarding those who shit the largest turds right where they live.


Brah don't stress remember the French revolution? The pattern of behavior is common but don't despair and think the ivory towers will never topple. To build those towers took many elephants lives and elephants never forget and inevitably go where they will. One day it will be to push down the towers built on the remains of those used and abused.
  
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kum-gulp wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 5:17pm:
No thanks.

No thanks.

TL:DR. You remind me of another talkative poster here.


You have an apt forum handle hadn't even notices it earlier. You see you remind me of a prison bitch so that name is likely tatted across your forehead.
  
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karavek wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:02pm:
Brah don't stress remember the French revolution? The pattern of behavior is common but don't despair and think the ivory towers will never topple. To build those towers took many elephants lives and elephants never forget and inevitably go where they will. One day it will be to push down the towers built on the remains of those used and abused.


With every post you continue to reinforce my opinion that you are an ignorant fucktard with zero actual knowledge.

How many French elephants will it take to reverse climate change?  Oh wait, all the elephants are dead, their tusks were used to build that ivory tower you referenced.  I guess we'll use humans bonded to computers instead, in your world view at least.
  

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I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Reply #71 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 8:01pm
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karavek wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:05am:
All the things you've talked about are things even current science are on the brink of overcoming.

I say "not unless", and you say "on the brink". In both statements, the obstacle is currently still an obstacle. We aren't disputing facts.

In the future, we will become our own robot overlords. Yes. That future is not today. Today, the odds are still strong that instead of curing old age, we will invent nano-cancer.


karavek wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:20am:
Quantum computers are very likely the first step and are no longer the science fiction that data's positronic matrix was thirty years ago.

http://phys.org/news/2016-02-eternal-5d-storage-history-humankind.html


Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:25pm:
Oh wait, all the elephants are dead, their tusks were used to build that ivory tower you referenced.

Personally, I'm enjoying the hell out of his self-contradictions. Every one of his arguments already explains why it's wrong. But you have to sit with it. It's like an anti-koan.
  

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Reply #72 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:25am
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Wow, back to the useful & meaningful Scotch discussion...
  
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Reply #73 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 5:37pm
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 8:01pm:
It's like an anti-koan.


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Reply #74 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 8:20am
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Durk wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:25am:
Wow, back to the useful & meaningful Scotch discussion...


Because a wise man once said:  If you drink more than 4 fingers of scotch, you may as well be drinking blended.

Me, I'd say that's true for more than 6 fingers, but then I'm a drunk like that.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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