Heavy fort's the one that stands out to me. There are probably others.

Does Heavy Fort really matter that much at L7? Champs bypass anyway and if stock mobs are killing someone with crits at L7, they probably have a lot more than 2 levels without Heavy Fort to worry about.

Really, anything under Level 10 I find it hard to give two shits about.

kum-gulp wrote on Aug 7^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:

You can put heavy fort on a right or a belt.  If you have a use for your neck slot you might not want to wait for level 9 and then equip the BtC gorget.

Also, not all champs bypass fort.

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So?  This isn't all about you, others might like to know what their options are for defraying the incoming nerf to their crafting options.

Turbine has no staff. At the end of the day we will get nothing that does not take quick and minimal work that can be done by only one or two people. Forum outrage or feedback matters not. A detailed system that makes players happy is fiscally impossible. The Turbine way is to just throw it together as cheaply and quickly as possible and then move on to fucking something else up. Honestly at this point you don't realize that by the time feedback is asked for it is already to late to make meaningful changes? Turbine QA's motto is Alea iacta est.

Ok, seems to me turdbin retroactively wants to undo the benefits of exploits (in most cases, obviously). So they completely revamp the system.

It is not such a big surprise after all the shit they have done to random gen (yes, you can argue that its better now, but come on, you remember what it did to raid loot?)

It is kinda funny how turdbin cannot just let things go, and expand the already working system somewhat. No. They totally refuck anything that could be duped/glitched or exploited.

So whats next? Are they gonna move from dollar currency to yen, euro or maybe british pound?

"Sorry but the dollar is on the rise due to certain exploits our gov/corporations have done, so it is not fair toward new players hehehehehe."

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2016 at 5:42am:

I can't remember a specific BTA with an augment, but I think I have a ring from Fens with one. And I know I have a bunch of BTAs in different materials. the mithral shield from Waterworks stands out in my mind, but I have others too.

I should get busy and craft them, there is no way this isn't going to be a steaming pile for at least months to come 

A few situational (meaning may not ever use) items I crafted onto BTA gear/weapons I got from chain end rewards (Chrono, Sentinnels, Threnal, Phiarlan, Red Fens)

+4 Improved Shattermantle Q-Staff ML12
+4 Improved Shattermantle RHXBow ML12
+4 Crippling of Improved Shattermantle Khopesh ML14
+2 WoP Rapier ML10
+2 WoP HRXBow ML10
+2 Anarchic Adamantine Heavy Mace of Grt Construct Bane ML10
+1 Holy Warhammer of Lesser Undead Bane (ML4)

A variety of Rings/Bracers/Boots of Melee Alacrity, MA+FF, MA+Mod. Fort
Mithril Small Shield of Life Shield and Sup Stability
a couple +6 Intelligence Rings
Ring Heavy Fort of Deathblock (although Glorious Dawn with Hvy Fort Augment replaced this long ago when needed)

I might craft a few other things but if I don't get to it I really won't care.   

i have seen one time ever a material + augment bta item from sharn chain end reward. you wont get one but in a perfect world id be crafting on some of those the typical top dps choices for heroic level ranges

a more obtainable goal is those BtA trinkets with a bunch of dumb shit, TS DW UA, melee 10%, the old standard slot shit +5 and +13 skill items on bta gloves, con 3-6 belts etc. make some ghost toucher silver of good shits at ml4 for the bullshits and some boozebane crap on something. find something with a colorless bta scenario and put a gift in it. ff boots of melee alacrity with a colorless are ml5 with masterful; ff boots of master gift are ml1 with masterful. absorb 33% items, maybe low lvl invuln armors if you are stuck in 2008. gfl on something for ml 11-13 if u dont have a decent false life unbound item from new loot shit

anything you think you would want to have access to if cannith crafting compleetely disappeared is what you wshould be making, and you can always delete items that you decide arent worth the inventoty slot

im assuming EVERYTHING will suck post craftpass and anything other outcome i can handle. ill happily delete shit that (as if) becomes obsolete post crafting pass but im not willing to allow any option i posses now to cease existing later

Thanks for the ideas.  I really can't get up the enthusiasm for all the game details like I used to and just can't seem to wrap my head around all the permutations of new loot, old loot, new crafting, old crafting.

The only advantage the current crafting system has over the new one is that the old one can lower the ML on things with masterful craftsmanship.  The new system uses masterful craftsmanship to add a 3rd effect instead.

Thus, if you want to make a single effect item (like heavy fort or GFL or +6 stat) and get it 2 levels lower than otherwise, then craft those items now.  This is most important for twink gear from level 5-9.  After that, the ran loot changes make the old ML ratings mostly shit. 

Because the new system offers NO benefit to single effect items.  In the new system you get two effects at full power for whatever the ML is.  And a 3rd effect if you add masterful craftsmanship.  In general your items crafted in the new system will be more powerful than in the old, especially over level 11.

The other big thing being lost is flex shards.  Fortification can't go on a cloak or gloves, for example, in new CC.  But with flex shards you can put effects where ever you want.  So if you want to position things in specific gear slots, craft those now.  You will quickly see the value in this drop after ML 11, though, since 3 effects at full ML (using the new power curve) is going to be better than a single effect at full ML in the slot you want. 

Basically, your low level twink gear got savaged in exchange for being able to craft loot that matters from 13-30.

anyone made the effort to make a list what won't be possible after the revamp?

slowertraffic wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:


Please...

He starts out by saying (my bolds for emphasis) "The only advantage the current crafting system has over the new one is that the old one can lower the ML on things with masterful craftsmanship."  And then later goes on to add another huge advantage of the old system:  Flex shards.

He claims that only single effect items made in OldCC will be worthwhile after NewCC is released, but that's just wrong.  I have a decent pile of 2 effect items that will still be better than any 3 effect item you can make in NewCC.

Poorly constructed arguments incorrectly using simple words like 'only' shouldn't be praised for being articulate.  Counting to two is a fairly low bar to set, and he failed at that.  Incorrect conclusions such as only single effect items remaining worthwhile once NewCC rolls out results from a failure to actually look at the three effects tables and try to see what kind of items can be built.  There are some good combinations, but there is an awful lot of overlap on tables which will force players to dedicate 2-3+ slots in order to get nice synergies.

Where he is right about NewCC is that it scales higher then OldCC.  But we knew that already, implementing a system that scaled up to the much higher level cap than existed when OldCC was implemented was the whole point.  Stating the obvious also shouldn't be labeled as being 'articulate.'  If a person wanted to draw a conclusion from these known facts, they might say something like "It won't matter that your ability to craft low level twink gear will be savaged in NewCC, because Heroics aren't hard anyway."  That would be drawing a conclusion that wasn't just a reiteration of the precise reason for Turbine implementing a new CC system in the first place.  You know, some actually independent thinking.