Frank wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:



Honestly, Old CC is worthless in today's game.  Beyond some really simple ML 5- ML 9 twink gear that was barely useful in 2009 and some DR breakers (back when DR breaking was a thing.  Which it isnt), I can't believe how many long time players talk about Old CC like they are actually using it today for anything meaningful.  Even flex shards.  It's all way outdated.  New Ran Gen loot kills it.  Let alone new CC items.

I threw out all my Old CC crafted stuff and all my old ML 1-ML 9 twink gear for the most part.  Outside of named stuff like Carniflex. 

New CC will start off more relevant over a wider level range. (EDIT: Whether it will have staying power is unknown.  But given the power creep in named loot, the outlook isn't favorable, unless they change something)   I agree that it will have less value in level 9 and below than the old CC loot did.  Outside of that, if you have a valid Old CC item you would equip in level 11+ over current ran gen, new CC loot, named items, or raid loot, let's see it.

NOTE:  I'm fully prepared to be wrong in this regard.  I wasn't a fan of old CC loot.  I've got some real concerns about the new system.  Lots to be seen when it hits lama and Turbine has been very obscure about details on a lot of things and their track record in those turning out well is, frankkly, shit

I didn't find the following pre-/or suffixes in NoWorries listings:
- Bleed
- Blood
- Command
- Crippling
- Holy Burst
- Deception
- Bone Breaking
- Enfeebling
- Protection
- Puncturing
- Pure Good
- Roaring
- Telekinetic,
- Arcane Sigil
- Armor Bonus
- Bodyfeeder (Feeding?)
- Cursespweing
- Deathblock
- Dusk
- Finesse
- Lifeshield
- Mobility
- Maladroit
- Sneak Attack
- Staggering Blow
- Stealth Strike
- Weakening
- Wounding
- Str Sapping

anything else?

Snu Snu wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 11:58pm:


Some of those are covered.  A good number are not.

Look for something called "Stat Poisons".  That will cover things like Str sapping, Wounding, Puncturing, Maladroit, weakening, enfeebling, bone breaking.

Look for something called Weapon DR's.  That will cover things like pure good, holy burst, etc.

Arcane Sigil = Lesser Arcane Spell Dexterity

Steath Strike = Diversion

Roaring is contained in "Weapon Crit Damages", I think. 

I *think* cursespewing is a part of the "special effects" group that is only on Random Loot now.  That includes Paralyzing, Banishing, Smiting, Disruption.  I could be wrong. 

Most have been brought up on the forums with no answer as to whether they will be included at release, addressed at a later time, or are being dropped. 

One of the bigger frustrations I have with both the new random loot and the CC loot is the loss of some older effects that added some unique value and flavor.  It bothers me that they are missing and the devs are extremely unresponsive to inquires about what the plan is for these old effects. 

Asheras wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:


But if it is poison it won't work on some monsters. And I don't think bonebreaking will fall  under poison. But I might be wrong.

Asheras wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:


NoWorries made an earlier post and I was pretty sure Holy Burst and pure good were excluded. Bad I might be wrong.

Didn't find Cursespewing.

Asheras wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

So have they done anything about making these searchable on the AH? A whole new set of obscure names to learn to try to find something? Or maybe they are planning on it being such shit that nobody bothers to craft unbound so finding it won't matter?

And yeah, with their track record I can't seem to get excited. Who cares if they have free peanuts if you have to pry them out of shit logs.

Asheras wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

Yeah, they have invented a couple new 'systems' which replace the old item effects.

I had no idea they were grouping up "Str sapping, Wounding, Puncturing, Maladroit, weakening, enfeebling, bone breaking" and calling them 'stat poisons.'  But I have pulled NRL items that do similar things like 'on hit -2 Wisdom' and the like.  This isn't the same, but maybe that's a part of their hoped-for scaling effects.  Which I do think is a good idea if they can get it right.  And right now there are a lot of effects that simply do not scale at all on the gear (deathblock, keen, etc) and several that do scale on the gear but are bugged in practice (guards, xd6 on ranged, etc).

The same with weapon DRs.  These aren't the same as True Good, Holy Burst, etc.  But it would be close enough if they only actually broke DRs.

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Who knew?  I've never pulled a NRL item with that effect.

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Probably.  This is one I see infrequently.  It looks like it can scale up to be a fairly potent effect (um, as long as it doesn't say 3d6 and only do 1d6 like guards and xd6 on ranged), because I've seen a much as 8d6.  And it's 'on crit' not 'on vorpal,' so builds that use high crit range weapons like khopesh will get a lot of mileage out of those effects.

This is going to be one of those places where the new system is more work than the old.  In OldCC you could read the effect right in the machine before you crafted the shard.  Now, with their scaling effects, you'll just make a STR shard and it'll be up to the player base to make 30 items to find out where the break points are for +1/+2/ ... +X, with +X being the one people at cap will care about.  Make a 'Slashing Criticals' shard and figure out where +4d6 becomes +5d6, and where the effect caps entirely.  Because I'm fairly sure it won't scale up all the way to 30th.

Asheras wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

You have moved the goal posts by qualifying that gear needs to be ML11+ in OldCC to be competitive with NewCC.  What you originally said was:
Asheras wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:


Seeker Repeating Heavy Crossbow of Deception.  ML6 with Master Craft of course.
Deception and Seeker +8.

I don't need any Enhancement because I'll be firing +bolts.  I might be one of the few players who actually works around Turbine's horrible quiver implementation by parking a bunch of locked (if you lock them, then you can hit 'gather' in a quiver and they won't be gathered.  And they have to be in your main INV to allow for hotbar swapping, because Turbine sucks) arrows/bolts on my hot bars so I can swap them out as the situation requires.  Bane and Slayer ammo is very useful, but I think so many people have just given up and summon a bunch of generic ammo via the arti spell or the AA enhancement.  Because again, Turbine has decided that coding smart is too damn hard.  I can deconstruct something with my mats in the shared bank, but damned if I can swap in the right kind of ammo for the situation w/o just not having the ammo in a quiver at all.

In any event, that's +8 to confirm and +8 damage on crits, which you get 3 chances for each time you fire with a repeater.  They have nerfed the doubleshot but they can't nerf the critical mechanic (um, yet.  As if Artis need a nerf).  And even if the build doesn't have Sneak Attack Deception is strong.  Turning around casters so they can't cast on you, yes please.  Turning around melee so they take more time to close, thank you.  Deception rocks for anyone.

If NewCC can beat that, then I for one welcome our new insect overlords!

crunch wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 2:59am:

You are having a reading comprehension failure.  I explained, in detail, why I could not give a fuck about an enhancement bonus on the item itself.

Learn to read.


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At the point where you're comparing level 12 stuff to level 6 stuff and trying to make a point about how the level 6 stuff is 'outshined', I just give up.  Do you play this game?  If level 12 stuff didn't outshine level 6 stuff there would be a real problem.

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See now, that is an actually non-gibberish reply.  You have a ML8 item that you find useful.  It's not likely at all that NewCC will replace that in usefulness.  Maybe, but it is not looking good at this time.

Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 3:17am:


let me restate the points which you failed to understand
1) Having high seeker without Keen/Improved Crit is not a good idea.
2) Building a ML6 weapon which is already suboptimal is not a good idea, when creating a ML8 version would at least bump it to 1.5[W].

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 10:54am:


Weapons are one of the worst uses for CC.  Named weapons ALWAYS kill CC weapons, except when DR breaking was an issue back in 2010 and 2011.  Because they often get 3-4 effects and a higher base damage dice.  Plus slots. 

For example: The Scoundrel's Crossbow is an ML 6 item and a nice great repeater with better stats too.  D12 base dice and better on hit damage adds.

Even if you don't want to farm that, or don't like it, this one useful for 1 level, at best.  Until you can equip a ToEE crossbow or Leverage at ML 7.  Both of which wreck this.  And are readily available and easy to farm.
 
As for a CC repeater that's better:

I'd put Ranged Alacrity, Deadly, Insightful Deadly on it. 

Or Acid Damage (what resists acid at level 6? But pick your elemental damage), Deadly, Insightful Deadly.

Either would be providing more damage per bolt by far than the one listed.  If you had another source of deadly, you could work in Doubleshot.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 10:54am:


ML6, motherfucker.  ML6.  1.6 damage x3 kills stuff dead at that level.  Regardless of the fact that you're looking at it in isolation like a retard.

What the ML of your hypothetical +2 Shock Diversion Heartseeker Repeater?  Answer that and you'll answer your own question about how it beats your example.

1d6 flaming bolts from Flame Arrow is available to my repeater as well, you idiot.

Jesus Fucking Christ on a crutch, coming back for the end times and whistling a tune through the hole in his palm!  Did I wake up in Idocracy this morning?  Usually people on these forums have a higher intelligence than those on the DDO forums.  But not today I guess.

Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:




Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:


ML 6 obviously. You missed that the entire premise of the new system is that every effect will scale to whatever ML? You'll have to extrapolate what the numbers scale to in the ML 6 tier, but it doesn't much to beat 1.8 crit damage and flaming bolts that are mutually exclusive with an enhancement bonus. Hell even a +2 repeater with only 1d4 shock and flaming bolts (+8 damage) beats your seeker repeater that has to choose between flaming bolts and +4 bolts. (+5.8 damage)

Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:


You already said you were using enhancement bonus bolts, genius.

Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:


Not on the side of it that you think. 

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

That's just about as stupid as saying that a +13 Sovereign Vorpal PantsShitter of Excellence will be ML6.

You set the ML, sure.  Turbine sets where the effects fall.  You could end up with a +1 Shock (+1 electric damage on hit)  Diversion (-1 threat) Heartseeker (+1 damage on crit for 2x, +2 damage on crit for 3x, +3 damage on crit for 3x) of Craptasticness.

Now that they are previewing the mess on Lamma people can see where the effects will fall.  And if it manages to be better than what I've crafted, all I need to do is disjunt and rebuild in the NewCC.  Until then, I've got a repeater that is better than anything that drops from NRL, where all weapons come with a spell power and some useless effect.  You could roll on that shit lottery for years and not see something as good as you can make today.
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Which is exactly why you listing them as if they were some kind of advantage to your repeater was so fucking stupid.  Genius.
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You go on thinking that.  It's so cute when little Tommy thinks he's being smart around the adults.