Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3 4 Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 75 Replies) Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ? (Read 19942 times)
Wipe
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline



Posts: 1917
Joined: Mar 26th, 2012
Gender: Male
Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:34am
Print Post  
Can someone give me tl;dr version or any "must haves" to do before we got the update please ?

Don't wanna read billion pages thread and the last time I crafted anything was like 3 years ago.
Pretty sure my main has 150 in one school and 130 ish in other two. And million essences in bags of course. I guess.
Do I need to level all three to 150 ?
Anything to do with those old shards ?
Anything to craft that is going away ?



  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:43am
Print Post  
I'd level your crafting to 150 in the other schools, if you can.  The XP decay on repetitive crafting of shards makes it more efficient to craft the older 130-150 shards now and then craft the new shards when they come out.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Tspoon
Titan Demolisher
****
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 396
Joined: Aug 30th, 2013
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 11:47am
Print Post  
I think you should deconstruct any existing shards into essences since the current version of crafting on Lama doesn't allow deconstruction the of old ones, if I am reading things correctly.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Who Cares
Not this guy ^^^
*****
Offline


You sir, are a dickbag.

Posts: 1951
Joined: Dec 5th, 2014
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:44pm
Print Post  
All your favorite ML 9 +6 stat items, on your favorite slots of course.

Your favorite low level monster killers, just in case the new ones suck.

That's about it.
  

Fuck Off, That is all
Strakeln wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 9:17pm:
WC can do whatever he wants.


[] wrote on Feb 6th, 2017 at 11:26pm:
Public Service Announcement: your servers are not dead; if you can't find groups, it means you suck and/or nobody likes you.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:53pm
Print Post  
The ML:9 shards may not be a big deal either…
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
noamineo
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


All men fear time, but
time fears the pyramids

Posts: 9012
Location: Titan
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2014
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #5 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:04pm
Print Post  
QuantumFX wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:53pm:


Holly mother of god.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #6 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:10pm
Print Post  
noamineo wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
Holly mother of god.


Apparently, this is level 34 loot:
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #7 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:12pm
Print Post  
This is just level 30 gear:


And the forum tears over the Cannith’s power level are beautiful.
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
noamineo
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


All men fear time, but
time fears the pyramids

Posts: 9012
Location: Titan
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2014
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #8 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:14pm
Print Post  
They must be. And the power level itself aint too shabby. I think the system will be a big hit, after we pressure turbine into adding the flex shards back.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:16pm
Print Post  
Slarden is a happy camper.

« Last Edit: Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:17pm by QuantumFX »  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
noamineo
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


All men fear time, but
time fears the pyramids

Posts: 9012
Location: Titan
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2014
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:22pm
Print Post  
Fucknutters that's a crazy ring!

So glad I saved so many 2-augment items  Cheesy'

Hey, dumb question: does anyone remember if blanking an item clears the augment slots, or if you can decon an item to craft on and have it save the augments? I have a bunch of populated 2-augment slot items I'd just love to turn into shiny new things.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Wipe
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline



Posts: 1917
Joined: Mar 26th, 2012
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #11 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:55pm
Print Post  
QuantumFX wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
And the forum tears over the Cannith’s power level are beautiful.

From the looks of it, I will be levelling up crafting once again. And so will everybody else.
But, where's the logic here. They revamped random loot that outshined everything before it, almost every named item.
People run TS, Shroud, or buy loot boosts why ?
Random junk put some life into auction houses.

Now they are making sure they invalidate previous work once again. What the actual fuck ?

If this is not really short term vision and complete blindness to the game as a whole then I don't know what it is.

That ring or gloves would get snagged in a heartbeat for hundreds of shards if it would get pulled. Insane.

I still think that the best loot should be obtained by beating the toughest content, not getting carpal syndrome in the safety of lagging crafting hall.

Thanks so far btw.

« Last Edit: Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:00pm by Wipe »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
noamineo
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


All men fear time, but
time fears the pyramids

Posts: 9012
Location: Titan
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2014
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm
Print Post  
Wipe wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:55pm:
Now they are making sure they invalidate previous work once again. What the actual fuck ?



This is Turbine's usual approach.

Though in this case, it's still a dramatic improvement. rangen loot FUCKING SUCKS. Who gives a shit if it "breathes life into the AH"? its a terrifying nightmare of awfulness where 99% of the items are shit and only that 1% is worth going after.

You know what will breath new life into the AH? Fucking MATS. There will be a scramble for essecnes and collectables once again. That stuff will start having value. Deconing items for essecnes, rare collectables, that'll revilatize the market. Not the loot-gen lotto.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Rubbinns
The Undeserving Fuckwit
*
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 10460
Joined: Sep 4th, 2013
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #13 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:09pm
Print Post  
Wipe wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:55pm:
Now they are making sure they invalidate previous work once again. What the actual fuck ?

Crafted loot is op. Everyone has a new grind. They will sell crafting potions by limiting the amount of essences accepted at a time. You're all welcome.
  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #14 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:14pm
Print Post  
Who Cares wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:44pm:
All your favorite ML 9 +6 stat items, on your favorite slots of course.

Your favorite low level monster killers, just in case the new ones suck.

That's about it.


No.  Old CC is shit.  Don't waste your time.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Puppy Farmer
****
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 1429
Joined: Jan 14th, 2016
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #15 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:19pm
Print Post  
QuantumFX wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:53pm:


Not that I'm complaining, but 'attributes' are only listed in the third list.  So +Stat of +Insightful Stat should not have been possible according to their released data.

I'm happy to see that they got something wrong in a good way for a change.  Or will they bug fix this the same way that the move speed ship buff is going to be fixed?
  

No, let me be Frank.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #16 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:21pm
Print Post  
A few things to keep in mind:

Cannith crafting actual items requires Purified Dragonshards and collectibles.  Both of which appear to be grindy.

While I think the relationship to LGS will change, I think it will be for the better.  The Random loot system is stingy as hell with useful 3 enhancement items.  So, slotting your stat items and a LGS item was more trouble than it's worth.  This new system may make that less of an issue.

We have no idea how powerful or costly the Legendary Slavers crafted items will be.  It may make the high end Cannith grind more trouble than it's worth.
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
noamineo
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


All men fear time, but
time fears the pyramids

Posts: 9012
Location: Titan
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2014
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #17 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:24pm
Print Post  
QuantumFX wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:21pm:
A few things
Cannith crafting actual items requires Purified Dragonshards and collectibles.  Both of which appear to be grindy.



Every item, or just good items?

Under the old system only a handful of really good shards called for purified dragonshards, the general crap level-grinding shards did not. Please tell me this is the same.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #18 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:34pm
Print Post  
noamineo wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:24pm:
Every item, or just good items?

Under the old system only a handful of really good shards called for purified dragonshards, the general crap level-grinding shards did not. Please tell me this is the same.



It sounds like “everything worth crafting”.  On the plus side though, you can trade in all the stat tomes now, and you can trade Tokens of the Twelve for them on a 1:1 basis.

EDIT:  I think I know what you're asking.  It looks like we’ll be using the minimum level shards to do the bulk of our leveling.  Which has a certain symmetry to it thanks to how we used to level up Cannith crafting.  Grin
« Last Edit: Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:36pm by QuantumFX »  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #19 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:50pm
Print Post  
Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:19pm:
Not that I'm complaining, but 'attributes' are only listed in the third list.  So +Stat of +Insightful Stat should not have been possible according to their released data.

I'm happy to see that they got something wrong in a good way for a change.  Or will they bug fix this the same way that the move speed ship buff is going to be fixed?


False.  That's not even close to accurate. 

The 3 lists you are referring to only speak to what level of crafting you need to make those effects.  What effects can go in each slot comes from the RLG rules already published:

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_29_randomly_generated_loot

See the table that shows base stats are in either the prefix or suffix slot and insightful stats are often in the extra slot.  (which is the mark of cannith slot).

So you can make a +15 Con, +15 Str, +7 insight Str(or con) belt in the new system, for example. 

« Last Edit: Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:50pm by Asheras »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #20 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:57pm
Print Post  
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
noamineo
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


All men fear time, but
time fears the pyramids

Posts: 9012
Location: Titan
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2014
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #21 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm
Print Post  
QuantumFX wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:34pm:
It sounds like “everything worth crafting”. 


So theres "everything thats worth crafting" and theres "the stuff that is not worth using but you craft anyway specifically for the XP."

When I was leveling in the old system, I probably made about 100 useless shards for every actually decent shard, because things that were worth crafting required rare and unusual mats such as chain end-rewards, eberon dragonshard fragments, etc, etc.

So, the question is: does EVERY SINGLE SHARD EVER require and dragonshard fragment, or just the actually useful ones, leaving dozens of cheap recipes that we can use for leveling up?
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #22 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 4:19pm
Print Post  
noamineo wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:
So theres "everything thats worth crafting" and theres "the stuff that is not worth using but you craft anyway specifically for the XP."

When I was leveling in the old system, I probably made about 100 useless shards for every actually decent shard, because things that were worth crafting required rare and unusual mats such as chain end-rewards, eberon dragonshard fragments, etc, etc.

So, the question is: does EVERY SINGLE SHARD EVER require and dragonshard fragment, or just the actually useful ones, leaving dozens of cheap recipes that we can use for leveling up?


I'll try to get some more details this weekend, but I keep reading “To level, use your essences to craft the Minimum Level shards.”  (Apparently the minimum level shards only require essences to craft.)  That implies to me that we won’t be seeing a lot of useless shards.
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Puppy Farmer
****
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 1429
Joined: Jan 14th, 2016
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #23 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 4:54pm
Print Post  
Asheras wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
False.  That's not even close to accurate.

It is entirely accurate.

Quote:
Crafting Groups for Scaling Effects:

Group 1:
Guards
False Life
Wizardry
Enchantment Resist
Illusion Resist
Poison Ward
Disease Ward
Will Save
Reflex Save
Fortitude Save
Damage Resistances (fire, acid, cold, etc.)
Skills
Fortification
Incite
Diversion


Group 2 (50):
Negative/Repair/Healing Amp
Absorptions
Parrying
Dodge Bonus
Accuracy
Deadly
Seeker
Shield Bashing
Armor-Piercing
Spell Focuses
Tendon Slice
Vertigo
Stunning
Shatter
Stat Poisons
Spell Pen
Spell Powers
Weapon Damages
Creature Banes


Group 3(100):
Attributes
Spell Saves
Resistance
Riposte
Sheltering
Doublestrike
Doubleshot
Assassinate
Combat Mastery
Melee/Ranged Alacrity
Potency
Weapon Crit Damages
Weapon DRs (good, evil etc)
Spell Lores
Vampirism


Bolds for emphasis.  Attributes are only shown as a Group 3 affect.  That doesn't just imply that you can't put an attribute in any other slot, it outright states it.
  

No, let me be Frank.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuantumFX
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline


Now back to the GOOD part!

Posts: 1170
Joined: Nov 15th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Anything to do before Cannith crafting update ?
Reply #24 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 5:00pm
Print Post  
Frank, the “groups” you quoted have absolutely nothing to do with where you can slot them.  Those groups describe how many crafting levels you need to craft a specific effect.  If you would like to know where you can slot stuff, take a look at this page: http://ddowiki.com/page/Talk:Cannith_Crafting/U32

The only things that aren't on there are the non-scaling effects.  And that's because they haven't been added to the tables yet.
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3 4
Send TopicPrint