Fucking doomsayers about the system are retarded as usual.

Frank wrote on Aug 13^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:


/this

It is super easy if you buy enough cheats!

If you were already capped, then its about 25k essences to reach 311.

DDOcrackhead wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 7:14am:


A mild tard. There's a dude called sir points a lot in the dojo. Click for 10k points~

47k essences is nothing.  That's about 180 hours of gameplay.  Even casual, 5 hour per week players should have that many if they were bothering to decon instead of vendoring their trash gear.

1500 TP is like $20 worth.  Less on a double points weekend.  If you don't want to spend that, then maybe you can't do it in a day.  Maybe you can.  Just depends.  It might take a week or two. Oh, well.  Maybe you can't get the best of the best on the first day something is released.  Kinda odd in a world where players are used to being able to get 20 completions of new raids on the first day it's out. 

Asheras wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 10:16am:


Yeah, and I consider this rather a bad thing if no real grind is required to max the crafting skill, So everyone can make +7 insightful ability items by the end of the month, just like that, without effort? Sorry, but that's ridiculous.

DDOcrackhead wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 11:51am:

First, let's just go and be ridiculous and agree that 180 hours of game play is "without effort".
And 311 is not maxed, but whatever. We're still looking at a collectables choke point. High-level =/ able to make items. For that, you have to grind collectables.

Revaulting wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:



it's not without effort, but it's not that difficult.  Even at 5 hours per week, you can easily get 6k per month. And at that casual rate, it should take you a while to get it done.  Just like it will take you a while to make LGS or Thunderforged at 5 hours per week. 

Asheras wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

But that's at cap. A new player has to collect and decon far longer, and that's where the potential problem is. I haven't looked at the recipes yet, but unless they laid them out so lower level characters can get really good stuff with a far lower number of essences and without high level collectibles, the design is a fail, just another boost for the players who need it least and widening the gap between them and new players.

How long do you have to play at levels 1 to 10 to decon enough to make the basics like UWA, feather falling, stat +4, ghost touch, heavy fort, etc? I don't mean top tier, holy instead of holy burst is fine, but can a new casual player cover the bases at, say, 3/4 power in 6 months?

The committed will grind for the last 1/4, the new will give up and leave if it looks like an investment of a year or more to even come close, so it has to be steep gain curve at the start and diminishing returns only much later to be a success, did they manage that?

Meursault wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:12am:


The early XP curve is easier than the old one, is my understanding.  But I don't have to actually level through it so I can't say for sure.  New players don't do lama, so I doubt anyone will know until it is live.

I agree with you that the system should be backloaded, for the most part.  Make it easier for new crafters to get in and be able to make bound,  non-insightful 1-10 and even 1-20 gear relatively quickly.  Heck, even make 20-30 bound, regular gear not too bad to read.  Put the pain on being able to craft the 20-30, unbound, insightful gear.  It's my understanding that a lot of the heavy collectibles and PED costs also come in those areas.   

Thing is, for new players, deconstruction can be a PITA.  Poor inventory space, small bags, may not be guilded.  Boats are best access to crafting, so if you don't have one that has a crafting state room, that could be a barrier too.

Asheras wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

That's actually a relief. I don't want it just handed to new players, but I don't want it to seem impossibly far, either. It's a delicate balancing act and historically Turbine has failed miserably at those, so I worried this would be a repeat. New players already pay a big price for decon, they should get good bang for the time they invest.

As you've pointed out, the most efficient way to get essences is to decon your end game loot on your ship crafting hall. A first lifer in a guild with a few RL friends has to make a ton of trips to the crafting hall to decon, and that means that if he joins a group with some TRs he'll have to drop out soon because they aren't going to take the inefficient path he is.

Turbine also seems unable to grasp asymetric costs, making "good" stuff too easy for powerful characters isn't really a problem because they still have "great" stuff to grind for, but making "good" too hard for normal players shuts down an entire subsystem that otherwise would help keep those players engaged in the game.

Revaulting wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

The teens crafting level or ML? And they went to Lam without FF, UWA, and Ghost Touch?! Ah, there's the old Turdbin I know and despise, what a bunch of incompetent turdblossoms