WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:


+1 

If you're worried about fort:

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Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 6:56pm:

So? DDO has long needed more threat and less stability. Doesn't suit my playstyle but it makes the combat more interesting. Unless you're meaning "I zerg all day and don't want to deal with this, the game's 10 years old now ffs" in which case, yep can't disagree. The damage spiking change is something I thought would be good for DDO for a long while, it's why I like champs even though I don't like them. Now we need better healing on mobs. Unless we want to just zerg, then it should stay as easy as it is now.

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 6:56pm:


If only there were enhancements, or past life feats that addressed this terrible issue!!! 

kum-gulp wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 5:17am:

I think you vastly overestimate people's appetite for unpredictability. Most people like to be surprised occasionally, but generally know what they are getting into before they get into it. That's why chains like McDonald’s are so popular - consistency. There are certainly a few who want more challenge and more unpredictability, and a lot more who thump their chest and claim the game is too easy while secretly liking it that way. But most people *like* stability, it's basic human nature, the risk takers are a minority. It's like flying a wingsuit, or white water rafting - most people say they would love to do it, but few people actually do, and those that do usually do it seldom.

A few brutal quests/raids with high unpredictability are more than enough to satisfy the need for unpredictability in DDO, and too many runs the risk of driving even more players away.

Champs would have been great if they only appeared if you moved fast enough for Dungeon Alert, for example (and then replaced the slow motion crap). People would know how to avoid them if they wanted predictability, and know how to "call" them if they wanted challenge and a chance to test their limits. The Champions we got suck.

Quicksilver Cassock and the Cloak of Invisibility both have the correct slots for putting in Heavy Fort. Of course the other option is just craft it now on a BTA ring or something and throw Masterful on it and boom ML7 

Digimonk wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:


When I run Threnal I take the Mantle.
When I run Delera's I take the Voice.
I save my remnants for flasks for different characters.  Spending 1k when I need 10k per flask is not going to help there.  I do have the top level cloak for when I'm in epics, but buying them for heroics doesn't seem to be worthwhile.

That takes your list down to:
Krugg's Spiked Boots - Splinterskull arc end reward - boots
Black Wolfskin Cloak - Splinterskull arc end reward - cloak

When I'm in heroics where I need to worry about 100 Fort I wear the Mantle in the cloak slot.  (And the Voice in the trinket slot.  This is why I always take the Mantle and the Voice, I'm trying to get enough voice augments so I can change this up a bit.  But I'm not going to run those two chains more than once per life.  If that.)

Boots are typically for movement, and the Krugg's 10% isn't good enough.

So now your list is empty.

It seems I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but at the risk of repeating myself, you are still conflating 'possible' with 'easy and convenient.'

FTL wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:


And of course this is what I have done.  I have ML7 Fort 100 items in several slots, mostly rings and belts but probably others.

Digimook just wants to claim that I'm wrong for criticizing NewCC for not offering 100 Fort until 17th level, or for offering it at 7th but requiring an insightful slot and the associated costs.

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2016 at 6:56pm:


Are you being obtuse? We already went over how you can stack insightful fort w/ a 75% named item to get over 100% early.

Maybe that insightful shard will be too hard for a newb to get and the vets won't stand in the harbor handing them out like some people have claimed they want to be able to. That's fine, ML 9 Nightforge Gorget is still a guaranteed drop on casual for all your gimp outfitting needs. I'm just pointing out that there are lots of options in addition to the blue augment.

Also, if 94% isn't good enough for you then run your Bladeforged lives already. 

Digimonk wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:


You have problems with reading comprehension.

You know what is easy and convenient?  Making a L7 CC 100 Fort item and calling it a day.

My characters Fort needs are handled.  I'm taken care of, and your list is exactly 0% of the solution for all of my characters.  I have bta CC items for my alts, and I typically wear a CC fort belt until I swap it for a GS min belt on my main.  Unless the crafting tool is wrong, you can't even put fort on a belt in the NewCC.

The discussion, which you seem to have lost track of, is about how NewCC is screwing players going forward.  They are the ones who will have to wait for 17th  before they can craft 100 Fort, and they are the ones who will have to expend the higher rare collectables if they want 99 Fort at 7th.

Or they can try to make one or more of the items on your wonderful list a part of their build, while I spend my 1k remnants on better things and while I don't have to run long dull chains multiple times per life in order to get both the primary item goals from those chains and an item that can hold a blue augment.

Collecting 1k remnants can easily take me a 15-30 days, and not spending another month before I can buy something that costs many thousands of remnants is both easy and convenient.

Idiot #1: Fewer options exist.
Idiot #2: Options exist!
Idiot #1: Yes! Fewer.
Idiot #2: Yes! Options.

.... Continue forever.

Revaulting wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

You are correct, sir.

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 11:38pm:



A)  At what point during their game experience does the average player start to get involved in crafting?  Is it in the first 5 levels of their first character?  I, personally, would doubt that.  Thinking back to my experiences, I didn't even figure out how favor worked until around level 7.  it took me until level 10+ to start to expand my focus beyond the individual character and questing process and understand things like collectibles turn ins and barter vendors vs. regular vendors,etc.  Crafting wasn't available then, but even it if was, I doubt it is a system that I would have been ready to tackle.  And the game has only gotten bigger and more confusing.

B)  The issue is not really about new crafters, though.  That is a surrogate argument.  The issue is that the cost of effect shards is flat.  And the flat cost was set based on the value given at ML 30-34.  Nobody has any issue with paying 15+5 for a +15 stat.  But paying 15+5 for a +2 stat?  That is too much.  The leveling process was made easier both in terms of leveling grind and simplicity.  So getting into crafting from a leveling process is easy.  Getting to crafting level 100 is ridiculously easy.  At which point you can make ML 10-11 gear with any of the 3 tiers of effects.  Just not insightfuls or unbound. 

HOWEVER, both new crafters and existing ones will find the cost to actually make an item that is ML 10 or lower very high for the resulting item's utility and value derived.  This is where the system is failing.  Not in getting new players started but in making anything worthwhile at a reasonable cost.

C)  The other issue is the change in power available at ML.  But this is mostly just a variation on the above argument.  Because the combination of the regular and insightful effects will, in every case, result in MORE power on a single item at a specific ML than what you have today.  So, the loss of power level isn't the issue.  Because you CAN make a more powerful item today.  The issue is the COST.  The cost of making a fort + insight fort item is crazy high for an ML 7 item.  If the costs, as identified above, were scaled with the ML, such that the value of the item matched the cost of the item, then this issue disappears. 

D)  The most valid "missing power" argument is the loss of flex shards and flexibility.  This is completely missing from the system and is a "nerf" from previous ability.  No two ways about it.  I get why people who used this are upset about it going away.  I would very much like to see more effects available on each slot.  Especially the rings.  The rings should be like the trinkets.  Everything is possible on them.  If even that small change was made, I could feel a lot better about restrictions in the other slots. 

E)  The result is that new crafting does not "scratch the same itch" as old crafting.  Old crafting specialized in heroic level twink gear.   Build specific gear that you could flex into whatever slot you needed.  Maybe get a single important effect at a lower ML than you could get otherwise.  The new system is designed to deliver more power per slot than other standard options and to be something that has value from levels 20-30.  Neither of which the old system could do.  But, in the process, it gave up what the old system was.  With no real replacement.  This means that the audience for crafting has shfited.  Heroic levelers will find the system doesn't fit anymore.  Epic levelers/end gamers will find the system has value. 

Understandably, the people who had been using crafting are upset that the system's focus has shifted and is no longer relevant to them.

Revaulting wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:


1 option is going away, but more options overall will exist, since combining insightful fort with one of the various sources of 75% was not possible before at the relevant level range.