Getting +low ability tomes happens much more often on my lives than any size eberron shards.  You get the +2 for favour every life without much hassle, what 9 PEDs per life.  At least once you don't need the +2 any more.

Cairnoir wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:


Actually if you read through the rest of this thread you'd notice that, by and large, low-level items are getting a nice boost.

noamineo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:


It's not about the quality of the loot, it's about the quantity of collectables. Here's to hoping they replace gem drops with collectables

They added Skill Tomes to the PED trade-ins.  So, now the Three Barrel and Gianthold sagas can generate PEDs.

Asheras wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:


Yes, but the conversation here seemed to be about options in heroic levels.  Anyone who plays epics and complains about PED access is a fucking tard!

noamineo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

You're saying this as if you already know the drop rate of the butt-ton of new collectables.

noamineo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

Oh. Carry on.

noamineo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:


That may be true, but the point here is that making a shard is now going to be the same 'price' in collectables and PEDs, regardless of whether you park it on a ML1 item or a ML30 item.  Whereas in the current CC the 'price' went up as you made a higher level shard.

Only the ML shard cost goes up as you advance in levels in NewCC, and they only cost essences, not hard to find collectables.

So if you're not running the high level content to find the newly required and therefore non-trivial collectables, you simply can't craft the new shards, even to make items for your low level characters.  That will change over time as people who want to craft realize that they have to go to epics for the collectables to make certain shards, but it is a situation that simply does not exist in the current CC.

Meursault wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:


ins. fort currently  costs 5 Purifieds whereas Heavy Fort currently costs 1 Purified.  So either are pretty much out of range of a first-life lvl 7 character but the ins. fort is further out of reach.  That is a consideration for each player.

At level 7, with the current system, the potential on the item is completely used up with Heavy Fort.  So no second effect is possible without raising the min level.  At level 7, with the new system, another effect could be added.  Also, if you are making armor/shield (and I think fort can only go on armor/shield in the new system) you will probably be able to add an enhancement bonus (+2 at lvl 7? we don't know yet).  In the current system you would again have to raise the min level to add the enhancement bonus. 

Meursault wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:


Years...as in more than 1?

No...not even back when I started would I say it took "many" people that long. Even at 4.3 million to cap, no BB, non-resetting repetition penalties, etc.

noamineo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 11:37am:


I still remember the ingredient for Greater Halfling Bane was originally to be a Chattering Ring, and that it required a riot for the devs to make changes to their baby.

I'm not convinced that drop rates for any required collectibles have been scrutinized by anyone that plays the game.

noamineo wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 11:37am:


Ok, let's examine this statement...

PEDs are something which anyone playing for over a year or so at epic levels either already has, and/or already has the things that can be converted into them.  Skill and stat tomes, Tot12, etc.

Regardless of drop rates on the new collectables, which Turbine has a poor track record with having drop in even amounts already (see: Lightning Split Soarwood), no one has any of them.

So at least initially the choke point is going to be the new collectables.  It just is, and protestations that it will be PEDs are just stupid.

Over time the choke point might transition to PEDs.  My money is that it remains the new collectables, if only for the fact that you can still pick up skill and stat tomes while running heroics, and you can't pick up collectables that only drop in epics while running heroics.  So any time spent running an alt in heroics can still contribute to your PED stores, but it can't contribute to your epic collectable stores.

But bottom line:  There's going to be a choke point right from the  start, and there will always be a choke point.  Because intelligent game design is hard.

Turbine can't even be bothered to weight NRL effects so that they aren't completely skewed in representation and even drop impossible and utterly useless combinations such as ranged items with 'on melee hit' effects and handwraps with doubleshot, and you really think they'll manage to make a bunch of new and required collectables drop in an evenly represented fashion?  "Based on turbine's track record lately?"  That's just about at lately as it gets, and it's completely fucked up.  Your positive attitude is commendable, if completely blind to Turbine history.

If Turbine wanted to do the right thing to support the NewCC system, they would introduce the new collectables with an initial drop rate on their list of options that was initially weighted at ~10x all the rest of the items on the list which already exist.  And then in a few months time they could set the list back to an even weight for all of the items, new and old.  But we all know that this is not going to happen.  Because intelligent game design is hard.

Instead, and at best, you'll be able to buy the new collectables in the DDO Store.  You know, just like LGS mats.

Frank wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 1:06pm:


Yes, anyone who's been playing a while has or can easily get a few dozen PEDs. Personally, if I converted everything I have stockpiled over several years, I could probably have about 150.

That won't help much since the new system will required THOUSANDS of the damn things to grind out the needed XP.

This is the part every moron and asswipe screaming "But I know where to get them!" is missing: you won't be able to get ENOUGH if you combine all of those ways. Yeah, once you f9inish leveling you can grind out 5 or 6 in an afternoon. That won't help you when you need 3,000-4,000.