So apparently after virtually the entire ten years of it being asked for kobold as a race might be on the horizon. However its also spawned a flurry of hatred from some of the regular lurkers who state blatantly ignorant views as facts and state that they would ban and blacklist players of such a race.

Some of the ignorant ideas I've seen mentioned include saying kobolds are an evil race. Clearly not aware of eberoni being at its foundation a setting with rather contrary cultural backgrounds for races like kobold orc and drow.

Not to mention clearly not having ever played the much beloved by d&d players classic never winter nights which introduced a certain kobold bard red dragon disciple who became on the forums the most popular hench man option for his adorable and amusing doom doom doom melody.

Its also interestingly enough triggering rants about how wanting to play evil races or indulge in the fantasy of being evil as practically making one guilty of something or being desirous of actually doing evil things.

Looney Vish  even went so far as to bring up in classic and typical bad taste kobold players wanting to bring assault rifles to movie theaters like that makes any sense.

Its funny how racially and ethically charged the DDO community seems to be. Its almost like they fit the oft given label to them of xenophobic and toxic when it comes to anything that conflicts with their emotionally charged and very flawed by ignorance ideas of what should and shouldn't be allowed.

Elitism in games I can get and even approve to some extent if the game isn't meant to be played casually. But virtual racism I've never seen or heard the like even on wow where races and their lore based prejudice is part of what defines the sides in PvP. Hell most wowtards play alliance and horde just to explore the different starting areas.

Is it possible something about DDO appeals to such a clearly disturbed individual as someone who would bring racial prejudice to the realm of the net where one is suppose to be able to transcend the physical for the virtual?

Kobold need a vacation !!!

seriously, such a wall of text about some potential race...

Karavek, you need to learn to make shorter posts. This is The Vault, not the mobo.

Last, they should do Kalashtars and Shifters, they are player character races in Eberron, instead of going Planar ( thiefling/Aasimar ) or monster ( kobold ).

It won't happpen. I've seen to it.

Flav wrote on Aug 19^th, 2016 at 2:59am:

I can't wait to play a Kobold Wall of Text Fighter! If you pick it at creation you unlock an infinite AP sploit, because it goes on and on and on and on and on.

Gringo wrote on Aug 19^th, 2016 at 4:41am:


Now why would you say that?  After all, this is Turbine.  They managed to introduce an illusion focused race and iconic version without creating a single new illusion spell.  So why would Kalashtar require psionics?  They could just re-name magic missile 'psychic thrust' and let it go at that.  Enjoy your new shiradi psionic race, only 1995 in the DDO Store!

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2016 at 7:58am:


oh, please amaze me - what illusionist spells would u add? There are not many whose arent based on interpretation.

Only ones useful that come into my mind are Improved Invisibility, Shadow and demishadow magic and maybe Weird

Kobald still hates massive text-wall.

This game needs more content.

Midgets annoy me, Deekin was alright but ddo kobolds just piss me off. Much like that sycophant uurlock kobold spam and oh so hilarious responses and brown nosing and quoting every single fucking dev post does.

Asheras's adjective for races I'd like to see was right  - heroic. Don't wanna play as vermin.

Gringo wrote on Aug 19^th, 2016 at 7:58am:


This is likely why it didn't suck complete donkey balls (If it was indeed a girl).

Fucking Asperger's Sausage Party over there at Turbine.

Shifter and Kalashtar are easy, just more modded human paper dolls with new heads. Maybe some glowing eye options for the Kalashtar.

Shifting isn't an issue since it isn't "Full Retard" shaprchanging like Druid. It's just "aspects of" like Orcish rage.

Would be pretty badass if they did a swap to the werewolf graphic though...

90% of the work would be new dances (if any) and re-colouring the copy/pasted SLAs and EnH from other trees.

Easy work, fast cash in. Could be done in like, a week. Incredible it hasn't been done already, TBH.

But you know, Turbine.

Footnote: Fuck kobolds. Fuck them in their stupid asses. Dumbest idea in forever.

Holy ammo wasted shooting at party members, Batman! 

virtual racism ....... involving virtual races


I can't even more of this dumbcunt ........

Gringo wrote on Aug 19^th, 2016 at 11:22am:


Ok.  You have a sorta point here.  Illusion spells have often been difficult to adjudicate for a DM.  In PnP these spells have often times been either implemented too powerfully or too weakly, all depending on the DM interpretation.  In a computer moderated game spells like Phantasmal Killer are the easiest kind of spells to implement, because they have discrete rules regarding their implementation, whereas many illusion spells are fairly open ended in their implementation.

However, there are some iconic illusion spells which could be implemented fairly easily, although of course I'm talking out my ass wrt to the ease of implementation in DDO.  Let's just say that I'd find them easy to implement in any game I was working on and let it go at that, shall we?

Blur - Already exists as a mechanic.
Hypnotic Pattern - Already exists as a mechanic.

Mirror Image - Excellent illusion spell with discrete mechanics.  Attack the caster, roll to hit an illusion.  Hit the illusion, reduce the number of illusions.

Phantom Trap - Could work with the existing Rogue Trap mechanics.

Displacement - Already exists as a mechanic.
Invisibility Sphere - No real difference from Invisibility, Mass.

Hallucinatory Terrain - This would have some value if creatures in DDO had any kind of aversion or sympathy for any given terrain type.  While a bit of a stretch for the PnP spell, creating a lawful planar environment to discommode chaotic critters and the like would not be a terrible implementation.  An AOE shattermantle effect, perhaps?

Invisibility, Greater - A new spell possibility.  A potentially potent one, as only monsters who could see invisible would be able to attack at full power would be a threat.  This kind of spell would kind of tie in with the failures of DDO to provide stealthy characters with either decent challenges or decent rewards.  Killing everything in almost every case rewards more XP than any kind of stealthy victory.

Rainbow Pattern - Fascinate already exists as a mechanic.  This is simply a mass effect of that same mechanic.

Shadow Conjuration - This spell and its higher level brothers are really just a way to allow an illusionist to inflict damage of a different type in the case that they are facing an opponent which is illusion immune.  A very fair trade-off:  Do less damage but you won't be simply useless.

Nightmare - Potential here to convert this spell to a combat spell.  Effects could easily be minor damage and an interruption of casting similar to Ear Smash or other similar abilities.

Mislead - A blending of Invisibility and Mirror Image.

Simulacrum - Could be converted into a combat spell, with the Simulacrum being similar to a summoned creature.  Perhaps with a very high Intimidate skill?

Scintillating Pattern - A straight up combat spell.

Weird - Basically an AOE PK.

So really, there are lots of illusion spells which could have been implemented by Turbine with the Gnome and Deep Gnome races.  They just thought, as stated by Cordovan during one of his live streams, that spells were too hard.  Which is a sad commentary, although true.


EDIT:  This is only a summary of the illusion spells on the d20srd.  There are no doubt a huge number of illusion spells available via the other source books.

Bottom line:  Turbine had a huge wealth of already invented material that they could have drawn from for the Gnome and Deep Gnome races.  And yet they deliberately choose to throw their hands up in the air, exclaim "Making spells is hard!" and introduce zero new spells with their illusion focused race.

karavek wrote on Aug 18^th, 2016 at 10:29pm:



Wow, you must be one of those regressive college cunts i always hear about, cheers.

Now get the fuck back into your mama's ass, you maggoty little shit.