https://www.ddo.com/en/update-32-named-item-information

Oh boy. Not really that much to see here.

Executioner's Plate/Docent are going to make Litany obsolete (+1 quality deadly, +1 profane bonus to all abilities, and lower ML). Yet another instance of power creep.

Executioner's Helm... seems about as mediocre as they come. Seeker 17 and insight deception 7 is pretty good for legendary though.

Another orb, I guess that's neat.

Turbine couldn't even bother putting "Legendary" in front of the ML 28 slave rags just to distinguish it from the heroic version? Lame. The item effects aren't anything to write home about either.

And yet another crafting system. Yeesh.

So much of the loot these days seems to have what I call "LGS syndrome:" many of them have one or two decent effects, sure, but they're just so specialized and niche that I have a hard time justifying using more than one. For instance, +72 HP is nice, and so is +22 to 1 type of saves, but are you REALLY willing to sacrifice a whole item slot JUST for that one effect? 99% of the time, I'm not. As a result, if you can actually manage to fit 5 LGS items into your build (let alone do the grind to craft five...), you build will probably be gimped because you could've gone with better items. Most of the time, because a given item is so specialized, I barely have room to squeeze it into a build anyway, resulting in my ignoring the loot. The way LGS was laid out is symptomatic of the problem that most new loot has been designed in the past year or so. It's nonsensical.

With all these weird item types (quality, artifact, profane, competence, enhancement, insight, natural, etc) there's just so much to keep track of and it's a headache to itemize these days. Furthermore, with almost every single piece of new loot being so specialized and narrow in scope, there's really not much reason to get excited about loot anymore. This is probably yet another pack of loot that I'll be ignoring.

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The way I look at it is to just stack up what I need for a build, be that a stat or a spell power/crit or some effect such as Seeker.  And then just take whatever else might come with other gear items serendipitously while covering the basics like 100+ Fort, decent HP, etc.  Because the item Tetris is a real pain in the ass if you try to worry about too many boosts at the same time.

It's a shame that the heroic level items are level 8.  That's still well within the leveling range where you zip through levels really fast.  I liked the last couple releases that put things more around 15th, where you can put them on an iconic TR or after leveling a true TR up to that point.  Things you might actually wear without even thinking about until you hit 20th and another huge set of gear options (crap you've upgraded using s/s/s, all the commendation gear, etc.) opens up.

My main gripe with the heroic items I'm seeing is that they're either too worthless or too powerful. On one hand, you get the profane to all abilities + quality deadly on a ML 8 armor. Okay, great--that just makes ML 13 Litany obsolete for every character that does physical damage. On the other hand, you get shit like shield bashing 8, quality combat mastery 1, or quality MRR 2. Nobody gives a shit about these effects in heroic, especially at level 8 as you said, where everyone is blazing through the levels. Which is kind of a shame because (IMO), the best designed content is around the level 5-10 level range.

I guess items now have more variance and versatility, but it just gives me a headache trying to work around it. It's item tetris, as you said. It used to be where I'd only have to keep track of a handful of essential bonuses (false life, fort, +stats, resistance, etc) and then fit in other items such as Marilith Chain for seeker or whatnot. Now, there's so much overlap between item effects, and every new item gives like 10 different effects, that it's a complete mess trying to keep track of every effect I'm getting. Ultimately, I'm bound to have the same effect from multiple items, and then there's the whole augment thing, which is even more planning... I guess I just don't like how everything is multitudes more complicated than it used to be. It simply doesn't feel very DDO to me.

On a side note, I find it funny how hardly anyone here really gives a shit about the up-and-coming changes to the game with these new items, and find this weird discussion on the mobos about ranged more interesting 

Isn't the skin on that shield the same skin from the Archon's quests in Amrath.

I don't know which is worse...

Not PAYING ATTENTION and posting the wrong pic or being LAZY and just using the same skin.

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WTF? You literally contradict yourself 100% in this OP. How is it power creep if you barely are motivated to grind out the new stuff because it's so incremental?

noamineo wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:


Yeah. Maybe. One day More options is good but still needs tons MOAR for me to consider not getting heroic past lives with iconics

Still waiting for someone to explain why they think executioners docent/plate are going to invalidate litany.

The vast majority of players in DDO don't wear docents or heavy armor, and even if they did those armors aren't even close to being mandatory or undisputed best in slot.

Mentioning that a +2 bonus to all stats is worth less than it was back when max stats were 11/4/1 and it'll become even less (relatively) powerful once the update hits and we'll be able to get 17/7/2/ + 4 quality would be a much more valid point.

It's also very unclear why the ring only has 15 instead of at least 17. The general trend dictates that the scaling effects on new loot are equal to or better than the numbers on loot with comparable effects from older packs.

noamineo wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:


Are they all the rage? I wasn't aware that people bothered getting the heroic gear from the past bunch of packs, most of it seems like a pointless way to spend your time.

WTF...Breaker of Bodies shield...this is the exact same skin as the demonic slab shield...they could not even bother changing the look of the new loot!?

I think the craft-able items that can be equipped in variety of slots will be interesting. Not for the gear itself but the unforeseen effects of monkeying with the code.

Digimonk wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:


Damn, you are pathetic.  You accuse me of stalking you, and yet here you are just begging to get kicked again.  You're like the overly attached girlfriend, can't let it go.

Let me explain in really small words so you might be capable of comprehending.  Oops, I used a word with four syllables.  I'll try to watch that in the future, I don't want you injuring yourself by knocking your head against the wall.  The helmet is supposed to protect you but it does have limits.  Just like your intellect.

Maybe a numbered list will help:

1) You suggesting using an augment instead of a CC heavy fort item was fucking ignorant.;
2) Your fanboy gushing over the new CC is pathetic;
3) Prior to this trinket, the number of heroic items with a blue slot that were worth wearing just to slot a Heavy Fort augment were slim to none;
4) Now this trinket comes along and things change;
5) I know that change is scary, but try not to cry too much;
6) You are a dumbshit.

If that was too confusing for you, feel free to PM me.  I'll be happy to help you understand using smaller words.  I'm not trying to be condescending (that means 'talking down to you'), but you're just spilling your ignorance all over the threads, and you should quit while you're behind.

noamineo wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:


Litany isn't particularly fun to get, but I wouldn't say that spending half a day on 20 MoD runs is "difficult".

noamineo wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:


I'm familiar with the new heroic gear. I wasn't questioning the power creep, I was questioning whether or not it was worth spending time trying to get the items when leveling is already fast and easy.