Slap a neg level augment in this piggy?
Enervation > Crippling Flames   ...?
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Digimonk wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 4:19pm:


Yeah I just wanted to state what I think is happening clearly, as I found yours to be a little word twisted. Assuming you meant the same thing as me, I concur.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:48pm:


Literally only for holy sword and less shitty healing. The defense is pretty nice too I guess if you take those enhancements.

It would also allow you to go deep into a racial tree for whatever reason you might have. If not gnome/deep gnome for exmaple:

Harper has 4 Int in the tree, Int to damage and to Hit without spell casting, KTA, 15SP and 15RP. Also up to +6 Damage in Cores, and either Imp Deception if you go to T5.

I guess my point is in certain racial trees and in Harper there's a lot of good stuff once you've taken BE. Holy Sword in Pally requires 0 AP, which I think is handy. To do the same you need 20 Arty levels and T5 BE.

Anyway, just throwing it out there for debate.

PS Throat Dagger might actually be useful in repaer where spell casters are crazy strong.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:08pm:

It is? Doesn't the game count dancing the same as standing still?


WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:08pm:

Varies greatly, depending on which rune arm. Shot type makes the most difference. For example, light spirals seem designed specifically to never hit anything. If you're wearing a type that can reliably hit without paying too much attention, the arm can fit easily into your spell/shot rotation (without slowing it down), and DPS can be comparable to another repeater volley (sometimes much more). But this is based on my experience playing before Reaper. Often, you needed auto-target on before the arm would pick the same target you were shooting. The "homing" changes might fix that.

Even in some Epic content, the movement cost made using rune arm shots a non-starter, unless you knew you'd be standing still for a while. Getting rid of it just gave every 2+ Arti splash a significant bump.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:

Per shot. There are 5 shots. My play experience usually saw something like this number out of most rune arms. I don't have Machinations, and I know it's best or close to bis, so something else is off in your calcs, too.

harharharhar wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:


I hear ya. It's been done well with rogue.

But it's hard to find a better racial tree than deep gnome for this build and usually all I need for healing on a ranged is cocoon. Though this arti can take cocoon and have 750 pt super scroll healing for backup.

I'm looking at 41 BE/29 DG/16 Harp/4 AT

That's all of the xbow stuff in DG plus racial scroll mastery, +3 saves, +6 AC, +3 PRR, +3 max dex/dodge, 20 spellcraft, 4 dodge, 6 MRR, and the scroll retain thingy.

4 in AT for the scroll mastery double dip. (150 base X 2.5 double scroll mastery X 2 heal amp 100)

16 in Harper is enough to cover Int to hit/dmg, KtA, +2 int, and 2 RP/Spellpower, +1 enh, +20 sp, and the first core.

Plus all of the BE stuff of course.

Anyone thinking about Paladin should consider War Domain instead.  Unless you are doing it for the +20% hps.  15Cleric/4Arty/1fighter is something I might try to get a cleric/morninglord life soon(haven't done ML yet).

Trollero wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 3:52am:


There's a lot of utility in Cleric levels.
Those shit saves always piss me off though.