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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Probably a stupid barb question Aug 29^th, 2017 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	But do barbs even really need to take the power attack feat if they're investing in the power attack enhancement? I've always taken it out of habit (did you used to need it to unlock the barb power attack?) but is there really a reason to keep taking it with the new trees? Do the two stack together and give you more power? No idea how it is now, but I know it used to be that when you clicked the barb power attack, the regular turned on too. I never really gave it much thought, I always thought the barb overrode the regular. Ok, looking at the wiki it looks like they stack with half orc's improved power attack...but what about regular? Or are you just wasting the feat on any class besides Horc?

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #1 - Aug 29^th, 2017 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	Gotta have Power Attack to take the PA enhancements in any trees. PA normally adds up to 5 damage per swing. The three levels of PA enhancements add another point for each level. PA + all three levels of the enhancement adds 8 points of damage per hit.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #2 - Aug 29^th, 2017 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	I always assumed that the enhancement doesn't do anything if you don't actually take the feat. By all accounts, horc improved power attack should stack with barbarian improved power attack since they have different names, though I have not tested this. That would be interesting if you could just take the enhancement and get a mini (+3) PA.

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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #3 - Aug 29^th, 2017 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	Well you need power attack if you want the cleave feat. Need the cleave feat in dreadnaught.


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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #4 - Aug 29^th, 2017 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 5:04pm: Gotta have Power Attack to take the PA enhancements in any trees. Doodle wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 5:33pm: Well you need power attack if you want the cleave feat. And there you have it. They've completely revamped the barb trees since I started playing again and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something or making a mistake by building on autopilot like when I got in the habit of only using light armor for barbs (I fucking swear there was originally a reason for that - like they only got their dodge bonus if they wore light armor...7 years ago).

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #5 - Aug 29^th, 2017 at 6:36pm	Print Post
	Skoodge wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 5:43pm: And there you have it.� They've completely revamped the barb trees since I started playing again and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something or making a mistake by building on autopilot like when I got in the habit of only using light armor for barbs (I fucking swear there was originally a reason for that - like they only got their dodge bonus if they wore light armor...7 years ago). they have med armor prof and the best med armor for heroics is scales of malice due to having a dodge cap higher than majority of light armors in that range. dumb powercreeped items 2 gud

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #6 - Aug 30^th, 2017 at 3:29am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 6:36pm: they have med armor prof and the best med armor for heroics is scales of malice due to having a dodge cap higher than majority of light armors in that range. dumb powercreeped items 2 gud Damn...that is a mighty sweet set of armor there. If I go back to pure pally, I'm definitely going to have to get that pack just to get that armor. I'm about to do two barb lives with a splash of rogue for evasion. Hate doing the splash, but there were only two weak spots when I used to play barbs - self healing and traps. Self healing is (slightly) less of an issue now (they still need to put some decent pots in the game) but I am so not going back to dealing with getting stuck in a fucking bear trap every ten seconds in evening star if I don't have to. Rogues still need light armor for evasion, right? If not, I'll start looking for some decent med armor.

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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #7 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 10:04am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 6:36pm: they have med armor prof and the best med armor for heroics is scales of malice due to having a dodge cap higher than majority of light armors in that range. dumb powercreeped items 2 gud Scales is good armor with a pile of nice effects and so well worth considering, but old cap content stuff still has it beat.� Full Plate of the Defender (VOD loot) is 29 armor +3 dex at 14th and that's that same as 17 armor +15 dex and assumes a +15 dex bonus at 14th.� Plus it comes native with +4 deflection AC.� Powercreep is nothing new to the game.� If I had it I'd definitely wear the Scales from 10th to 14th though.� Sweet Druid armor to be sure. Skoodge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 3:29am: Rogues still need light armor for evasion, right? If not, I'll start looking for some decent med armor. Yes. I posted two (also old cap content) good AC light armors in your pally post.
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	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #8 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 11:19am	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 10:04am: � Full Plate of the Defender How does 3 dodge beat 15. Just stop it today. don't go around spreading misinformation, fran.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #9 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 11:19am: How does 3 dodge beat 15. Just stop it today. don't go around spreading misinformation, fran. When you clearly don't understand either AC or dodge, you shouldn't be calling anyone else Fran.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #10 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 12:55pm: When you clearly don't understand either AC or dodge, you shouldn't be calling anyone else Fran. clearly dodge is hard for you. let's ignore the word dodge and use numbers. 15>3. even with 14 more ac on vod plate, dodge is better. stop trolling on your sock, fran

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #11 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 1:08pm: clearly dodge is hard for you. let's ignore the word dodge and use numbers. 15>3. even with 14 more ac on vod plate, dodge is better. stop trolling on your sock, fran Yes, let's ignore the word dodge, because we're talking about AC, you fuck. And I already spelled out how the armor I listed is better AC than the armor you listed. So fuck off, Fran.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #12 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 3:37pm: about AC, you fuck. 12 more dodge beats the piss out of 15 more ac, chai.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #13 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:08pm: 12 more dodge beats the piss out of 15 more ac, chai. I thought we'd agreed to ignore the word dodge? But since you are an ignorant fuck, let's use the word you previously said was irrelevant. We were talking abut AC, yes? Full Plate of the Defender = 29 AC + 3 Max Dex Bonus. + 4 Protection +4 Suck it, your dodge failure.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #14 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 4:47pm: + 4 Protection a ml 12 augment?
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #15 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 5:15pm: a ml 12 augment? When we're talking about a level 14 armor? How is this even hard for you? Oh, it's because you are an idiot. And yeah, I already allowed how the other shit on Scales besides AC is sweet, so now you're just being an extra special idiot to try to drag other idiots down with you in some desperate attempt to avoid a conversation about 29 AC on level 14 armor. Good job!

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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iGouger Ex Member	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #16 - Aug 31^st, 2017 at 11:36pm	Print Post
	The vault's been somewhat entertaining to read lately. Is it just me, or is Frank acting extra retarded as of late?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #17 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 12:54am	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 10:37pm: 29 AC on level 14 armor.� Good job! I think 15 dodge + 17 ac +up to 30 armor from dex modifier, is better than 29 ac and 3 dodge. Add in that scales is level 10 and adds in harder to gear abilities like parry 2, ins con 2, prr 14, and basically negates the 2 slots on that Defender Plate has in Hvy fort and prot +4 by having vitality +19 and a green slot. While also being only ml 10. Malice also is way better in regards to customizable features for gearing , and a 29 ac vs an avg ac of 20 for Malice would have a barb lose out on 12 more dodge chance for 9 more ac tops. 15 dodge is easily breakable by any lv 12 barb.� ��
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Probably a stupid barb question Reply #18 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	Quote: The vault's been somewhat entertaining to read lately. Is it just me, or is Frank acting extra retarded as of late? It's his normal level of retardation but with his recently increased posting activity it's more noticeable.� He's probably off his meds again.
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