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Re: Whores (U38.1)
Reply #25 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 12:38am
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Asheras wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
You are missing the community aspects of running raids over time. Vs. grinding them in one or two weeks and then going back to TRing and complaining there is nothing to do.   It's not your fault.  You didn't start playing until after that era ended.   As I recall you started playing until MoTU or later.   


youre right. i started a month before update high road, and few months before EGH. so i never knew of a ddo before timers.

but timers didnt kill heroic shrouds, which were up many times a day, everyday, even on a low pop server like orien. people still did citw and fot every day, multiple times daily until around u19-20, when the loot became much worse and thunderholme raids released. and even when mod released people were still doing thunderholme, and could even get a fot, and citw frequently few times a week.

the raids were all played, on timers. it wasnt the bypasses that killed them because turbine would just largely invalidate all the loot within a year. all the gear from citw-doj was used and farmed for, until codex and loot revamp made that shit look like low epic level trash. turbine/ssg could have made timers free in the store and it wouldnt have shortened the life span of any raid before they themselves made the loot trash every 4th update.

those were good times for raids. to me the best time for raiding was before u19. i distinctly remember doing citw and fot 10x a day. buying timers from store and there were always people to fill.
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Re: Whores (U38.1)
Reply #26 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 8:22am
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 12:38am:
youre right. i started a month before update high road, and few months before EGH. so i never knew of a ddo before timers.

but timers didnt kill heroic shrouds, which were up many times a day, everyday, even on a low pop server like orien. people still did citw and fot every day, multiple times daily until around u19-20, when the loot became much worse and thunderholme raids released. and even when mod released people were still doing thunderholme, and could even get a fot, and citw frequently few times a week.

the raids were all played, on timers. it wasnt the bypasses that killed them because turbine would just largely invalidate all the loot within a year. all the gear from citw-doj was used and farmed for, until codex and loot revamp made that shit look like low epic level trash. turbine/ssg could have made timers free in the store and it wouldnt have shortened the life span of any raid before they themselves made the loot trash every 4th update.

those were good times for raids. to me the best time for raiding was before u19. i distinctly remember doing citw and fot 10x a day. buying timers from store and there were always people to fill.


The combination of:

Timer dupes
Lower population
Loot invalidation too quickly
Changes in community attitudes (influenced by things like timers, and reincarnation options, etc)

Has all contributed to problem with raid life longevity.   I don't think a 10% or 15% better chance to pull an item is going to drastically impact the longevity of content more than timers did along with  the psychological effect they had on cheapening the time investment and cheapening the "value" of raid loot.   (Although invalidation also damaged the investment/reward equation quite a bit too).

But, they are here and time will tell.
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 9:43am
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Just FYI, the actual best time for reading was when people would run all of VON, ADQ, Reaver, Shroud, HoX, VoD, ToD, Abbot (new players would pike), and even Titan (2/3 of the raid group would pike). Plus a handful of epic quests, which could only be run at cap.
  
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Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 10:02am
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Fuckwit wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 9:43am:
Just FYI, the actual best time for reading was when people would run all of VON, ADQ, Reaver, Shroud, HoX, VoD, ToD, Abbot (new players would pike), and even Titan (2/3 of the raid group would pike). Plus a handful of epic quests, which could only be run at cap.


That was the golden age of ddo. That age died when the cap ticked from 20 to 21. Raid nights were the shit back then.
  

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Reply #29 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 11:50am
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Yeah, I miss those days when everytime you logged in, 100 more people had quit the game because there was fuck else to do and nothing had been updated/upgraded in months.

The flower sniffers were happy because they were still working on their first lit3 axe.  Everybody who was actually good at the fucking game (lol?) had farmed that shit out and were on to the next MMO never to return.

People act like the groups running RBT non-stop are the kind who would be posting public LFM's if not for the RBT's.

If the only way you can keep people interested in your game is by telling them to only log in every 4 days then...I mean, 2007 called and wants its game design back.
  
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