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Apr 25th, 2018 at 8:57pm
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[QUOTE=FlimsyFirewood;6091698]If you "farm Amber" for an hour a day, how does that help you catch up to a person who "farms Amber" two hours a day?

There's a logical fallacy here somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it.

TL;DR: kk bye can I hav ur stuff? Wink [/quote]


  
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he just doubled down.

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Well, ****. I thought it was in the release notes, guess I've done goofed up. Sorry about that.

Amber Temple optimal path fishing was fixed for obvious reasons, quite eloquently explained in this thread without my help.

Move along, nothing to see here except recreational outrage.

Something something higher standards, something something crawling back under my rock for the next 10 months.


professional btw

employee btw

this is how they view you faggots. youre either junkies getting exploited or worthless trash not worth retaining.

hustle hard. sell dat crack
  

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Dude from GODS on Cannith was crying that they would quit if they couldn't farm Amber for free Reaper XP.  That's weak as hell.  His guild should be embarrassed.
  
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Asheras wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
That's weak as hell. 

even weaker is flimsy getting so triggered by a customer that they felt the need to "defend" themselves because it was HIS quest and his lil baby bitch-boy ego was on the line. he is the one who did the fix and felt like he had to tell someone gtfo because he was in his feelings like a ho.

that attitude stems from above. just a few days after steel told another customer that if they dont like it they could gtfo, too. they have the green light to shit on you guys. fingerpaint with it all over your chests.

love that many mobo dickriders jump in to defend developers treating customers like shit lol

they should get corod's pedo face tatt'd on their forearms so when they jerk off they can get off without porn.
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Asheras wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
Dude from GODS on Cannith was crying that they would quit if they couldn't farm Amber for free Reaper XP.  That's weak as hell.  His guild should be embarrassed.


I haven't said shit about you til this point, but you have truly shown yourself to have their dicks fully down your throat. Gratz on being a whore.

This in not butthurt because I could care less. You just show your true colors, and they are shit fucking brown. Gratz! Cheesy
  

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ITT:  Players are surprised that the devs don't give a shit about them.  Players even more surprised that the devs respond to their whining with a crass apathy.

I could have saved you all the surprise and told you this months ago, but I assumed it was public knowledge.
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If you cry that you’re gonna quit, you’re a bitch. Just man up and get lost.
  

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Mr Reilly wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 1:11am:
I could have saved you all the surprise and told you this months ago, but I assumed it was public knowledge.



It was.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 12:51am:
even weaker is flimsy getting so triggered by a customer that they felt the need to "defend" themselves because it was HIS quest and his lil baby bitch-boy ego was on the line. he is the one who did the fix and felt like he had to tell someone gtfo because he was in his feelings like a ho.


Yep, only thing weaker than a whining player is a hyper-defensive dev.  Only thing worse than a hyper-defensive dev is an insecure dev that necros inactive accounts to troll the players.

The only thing worse than an insecure dev that necros inactive accounts would be a dev that makes dummy accounts on another forum to brag about the actions of the first two groups.
  

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Dev failed reading comprehension of op. -1 faggot point
Dev what's a whiny b****. +1 faggot point

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The pursuit of goals
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What makes a player, play ddo? This is a hard question to answer. So many different people can have different motivations to do a thing. This tends to even go beyond ddo. Really, what makes a person choose to invest time and effort into a thing? Is it the end result? Perhaps it is not the destination but the journey? Are they doing it JUST to consume time with a distraction, without regard for the outcome or concern for the experience? I hope to allow you to perceive by the end of this post, why players might choose to play in a manner that other individuals may fail to understand.

Some might say, people are just compelled to fill their time with distraction, as a coping mechanism for life's hardships. I can appreciate that a person may have some pretty traumatic life experiences, and as a result might try to fill their wandering mind with great focus on a long, unending, complex game like DDO. Between the raids- flagging mechanics and timers, the myriad of crafting systems; most of which are designed to emulate the timegate applied by timers through limited ingredient type resources, and actual character progression, again time gated in the same fashion through XP curves and distribution, there are plenty of systems that will take a player years to grind through, even in the face of extreme player time and monetary investment. So if these players play specifically to have this persistent unfulfilled set of goals to work toward, I dont believe that they will be affected by the occasional, unintended, exploity methods some players discover to bypass these limitless grinds. This type of player would be hard pressed to stop having fun because of how someone else is playing the game, as the alternative is to go back to reality and think about reallife.

An alternative player archtype may choose to play DDO, encouraged by his love of complex gameplay itself. With no shortage of dissimilar systems, and unique play styles, DDO is rare in the face of todays games, for its ability to allow a character to suck. You are granted enough freedom, enough options, that you can create a completely useless character that would only serve as a handicap to the party. Conversely, you can fine tune and mix previously untried combinations and create unique builds so powerful they become flavors of the month until nerfed. Hundreds of diverse quests with a great variety of scenery serves to help you enjoy every moment of your excursion through this complex virtual world. I find it very unlikely that these players will ever be affected by some of the players and methods that rely specifically on a desire to bypass undesirable, excessive, repetitive gameplay. No other player can deny them access to the features they favor the most in this platform.

Yet one more possibility, is the player who seeks only the outcome, the final chapter, of gameplay. This player wishes to play at the highest levels, maximize all opportunity, play as efficiently as possible. To this player, every timegate is an undesired hurdle preventing their goal. Every overly obnoxious ingredient prerequisite, every raid timer, every XP penalty, the lack of additional players at a level with similar goals- these players are most likely to be impacted by changes to the game. They are also the most likely to actively work toward their goals- efficiency and finality. This can mean finding ways to offset, reduce, bypass, or otherwise avoid the aspects of the game implemented intentionally to combat their style of play. These players can practically be considered a targeted, oppressed, ostracized, underclass of the community, unfairly taxed chronologically by the powers that be, yet acknowledged in some small fashion as an existing group- only through nerfs, pay-to-bypass game mechanics, and bannings. But why would this player RACE to completion, if completion is the end of the game? We can all point at someone who fit this description, and then promptly stopped playing. This is perhaps why these players must have arbitrary gameplay gates constantly placed in their path. But are they all really racing to the end of the game, investing all this time and money, JUST so they can STOP PLAYING? Perhaps this 3rd group really just wants to play "end game" as in just playing the top content with their friends, endlessly, without a constant carrot dangling in their face that is "their individual goals". being forced to constantly pursue endless unobtainable goals shoehorns this whole demographic into solo or limited play as they grind out whatever their immediate goals are, thus isolating them from all their friends of varying levels. Why are these players FORCED to play for 5 years before they get access to stats and items that allow them to play end game with their friends on the maximized build of their choice?

The players who end up leaving the game after "completing" their goals, may infact just be players who were mis-assigned to a group they did not belong to. Perhaps the guy who quit was really into the journey, which ended when he reached end game, with no way to reproduce that initial journey. Perhaps the guy with 150 past lives quit cause he was never eligible to join his friends in their r5 lv 30 raids. Perhaps  logging in, getting ship buffs, staring at an empty LFG, and logging back off wasnt enough to free our sad-man archtype from their irl chains. But i would be willing to bet, no one ever quit the game cause someone else was able to achieve their goal. With all of the issues that affect all players of all types, it is frustrating at the least to consider that developer hours are wasted fixing issues that should NEVER HAVE EXISTED in the first place, and hurt no one, when theres endless complaints from the past decade unaddressed that will increase the satisfaction of every single active player from every assumed demographic. Devs should fix the unintended disadvantages that affect us all, before they try to address unexpected advantages that affect a few.

i cant personally speak for anyone else, but i know i am not grinding all this pastlife/gear/characters just so i can quit when im finally done. I want a harem of maximized, perfect toons that can be used to fill whatever roles your party of friends might need in their end game daily runs. But when u need to run 150 lives on each of 10 toons with 60 completions of half the raids in game on each toon just to be able to say in guild chat "Hey you homeboys need a cleric, trapper, or crowd control?" then it becomes very easy to start to wonder if your time spent in DDO will ever result in fulfilling the goals you set for yourself in 2006 as you rolled your first character- not to mention that this endless grind comes packaged with the same fucking bugs that have plagued you for years is one of the greatest motivators to just stop playing.

i hope the hours wasted fixing amber, combined with the hours spent designing it so poorly the first time around, generate enough income to justify the losses incurred by any of the bugs that those man hours should have been spent fixing.
  

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Slick Stick wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 12:56am:
I haven't said shit about you til this point, but you have truly shown yourself to have their dicks fully down your throat. Gratz on being a whore.

This in not butthurt because I could care less. You just show your true colors, and they are shit fucking brown. Gratz! Cheesy


Looks like we found someone from GODS...Lol! 

Maybe that Ellihor crybaby himself.  If so, Neth, you embarrassed yourself with that post.  "I want free XP.  I can't keep up without a hand out."   Ugh.
  
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 12:51am:
even weaker is flimsy getting so triggered by a customer that they felt the need to "defend" themselves because it was HIS quest and his lil baby bitch-boy ego was on the line. he is the one who did the fix and felt like he had to tell someone gtfo because he was in his feelings like a ho.

that attitude stems from above. just a few days after steel told another customer that if they dont like it they could gtfo, too. they have the green light to shit on you guys. fingerpaint with it all over your chests.

love that many mobo dickriders jump in to defend developers treating customers like shit lol

they should get corod's pedo face tatt'd on their forearms so when they jerk off they can get off without porn.


I didn't agree with the tone of Flimsy's response either.   Honestly, Ellihor's post did not require a dev response at all.  They closed an easy button.   It was fun while it lasted.  Enjoy the free Reaper XP you got from it for 5 months.   Everyone saw the O.P. for what it was.   But now nobody cares about that.  The conversation is all about the dev response.   Because that is the more shocking and unusual event. 
  
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The OP is wrong... while the 2 minute completion of Amber is was fun and nice, the quest design was not thought out well for those two paths.  (there many quests that players have found very short paths for that Devs have not fixed (Undeath and Rusted Blades in Schyndrlyn are 2 of them...heck I have forgotten there is a lot more to those 2 quest... It would suck if they added other requirements to them at this point).

But Flimsy's response is not a good response from the Dev team, since it came across as butt-hurt and his logic/argument also contained fallacy.  So he was both unprofessional and actually wrong in his logic.

Both lose, but SSG loses more.  doesn't matter even if his logic was impeccable... you don't respond publicly to customers that way.
  
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I agree that the OP is melodramatic as fuck but Flimsy is out of line, too. I'm of the opinion that if you speaking to customers/clients you are held to a higher standard. I get wanting to defend yourself but you just have to suck it up and do it professionally without lashing out and if you fuck up, as Flimsy did, just bite the bullet and apologize (even if you don't mean it).

Slarden makes an interesting tinfoil theory, that Flimsy may have thought he was on his player account instead of his official one. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if SSG has a bunch of unofficial accounts to post repetitive positive things.



  
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Prettt sweet that they just troll their customers openly now. Glad i decided long ago to not give them another penny until their customer service improved. Keeps looking like the rigjt decision. Lucky he still has a job.
  

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Some should reply to Flimsy's post with a "Hi,Welcome" since apparently anything is allowed now.   Grin
  
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Asheras wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 8:34am:
didn't agree with the tone of Flimsy's response either.   Honestly, Ellihor's post did not require a dev response at all. 

Exactly my thoughts.

in a game that is dying ( if you're not growing then you're dying. and ddo is shrinking fast ) the dev team really should not be making "peace, nigga. lemme hold your shit tho" posts to players, especially not people like elihor.

he actually makes content about the game. advertises it on his channel ( however small ), and adds to the community in a highly beneficial manner by recording hard content done in organized groups with well built and geared characters. he showcases the game and presents it in an attractive light.

it's not like someone like me. i would be fine with devs taking jabs at me for making i quit threads because i offer nothing but shitposts and name calling. but to do it someone who cares enough to record, display, and advertise the game? c'mon bruh....
  

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eighnuss wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 7:19am:
i cant personally speak for anyone else, but i know i am not grinding all this pastlife/gear/characters just so i can quit when im finally done. I want a harem of maximized, perfect toons that can be used to fill whatever roles your party of friends might need in their end game daily runs. But when u need to run 150 lives on each of 10 toons with 60 completions of half the raids in game on each toon just to be able to say in guild chat "Hey you homeboys need a cleric, trapper, or crowd control?" then it becomes very easy to start to wonder if your time spent in DDO will ever result in fulfilling the goals you set for yourself in 2006 as you rolled your first character- not to mention that this endless grind comes packaged with the same fucking bugs that have plagued you for years is one of the greatest motivators to just stop playing.


damn... nailed it with your entire post.
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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NoGoodDoc wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 9:10am:
I agree that the OP is melodramatic as fuck but Flimsy is out of line, too. I'm of the opinion that if you speaking to customers/clients you are held to a higher standard. I get wanting to defend yourself but you just have to suck it up and do it professionally without lashing out and if you fuck up, as Flimsy did, just bite the bullet and apologize (even if you don't mean it).

Slarden makes an interesting tinfoil theory, that Flimsy may have thought he was on his player account instead of his official one. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if SSG has a bunch of unofficial accounts to post repetitive positive things.





I considered that a possibility, too. but flimsy has the green light to do so stemming from the top. steel legit made a post that said if you dont like it gtfo. i wouldnt be surprised to see sev chime in with a "get rekt" post somewhere soon.

flimsy may have indeed used the wrong account ( as I believe the devs do take old banned accounts and socks to astroturf their own forum narratives ), but there are no repercussions from higher-ups for this type of ill treatment towards the consumer, so they dont really care in the first place.
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Am loving eig's diagnostic. I think multiple people fit into multiple categories. I started playing as a filthy role player.
  

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I didn't fuss when they closed the easy RXP from Protect Baudry's Interests.  I think we will see less dev response, I can't imagine that flimsy isn't being told to 'keep it civil'.

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I'm a casual player in static groups, so I'm a type 1, little type 2.  I'm all over spending money on fun things, not on 'let's put in a block and sell a way around it'.
  
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If you cry that you’re gonna quit, you’re a bitch. Just man up and get lost.

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Asheras wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 8:34am:
I didn't agree with the tone of Flimsy's response either.   Honestly, Ellihor's post did not require a dev response at all.  They closed an easy button.   It was fun while it lasted.  Enjoy the free Reaper XP you got from it for 5 months.   Everyone saw the O.P. for what it was.   But now nobody cares about that.  The conversation is all about the dev response.   Because that is the more shocking and unusual event.

I was completely ok with Flimsy's response because it was to an easy-button using whiner bitch.

If he had responded that way to someone with a legitimate complaint, I'd've felt differently.
  

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Technomage wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
easy-button using whiner bitch.

you could use all the easy buttons the game has to offer, you scrub
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Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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