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https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/496219-What-do-you-think-the-devs-shou...
"In general, we are likely to look at survivability in higher difficulties (particularly Reaper) as we investigate melee improvements. It is likely that Hit Points are part of that solution, but there are probably other things as well."
"Whatever we end up doing probably would not be linked to investment in Reaper trees, for the reason that we would want it to be a more universal improvement for melee in Reaper difficulty."
(pg 4,6)
Well, it was only about time until something like this happened. The ironic thing about all of this is that
melee are literally already the best things you could roll in this game,
from an endgame perspective. However, the skill gap and strenuous playstyle are far beyond the capacities of mobo posters, and since the majority of the feedback comes from that category, that's where game-changing decisions are based from. People complained about THF being shitty, when they just couldn't twitch-fight. The list goes on and on, but I don't want to develop another tumor ranting about it.
Now, time to see how utterly broken melee get.
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Funny how something that caters to the most people winds up being average....
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Not arguing for or against an HP buff on melee with this comment, but it is interesting to me that HP is, for the most part, static across most classes.
Look at the sources of HP. Besides the stalwart/sacred defender stances or animal domain, bear form, RM, or FvS HP option, most classes have access to the same HP increase sources.
The original difference was the class HD. Which could be D4 to D10, but that results, at 20, in a difference of 120 HP maximum. That was a lot back in the day of cap 16 or 20. Most players didn't have a con over 30 and there were few other buffs. But these days? 120 is not as much a difference. (250 vs 400 is huge. 1350 vs 1500, not quite so significant).
It has always been easy to be a two stat build on a caster. DC stat and Con. Done. Most melee builds are doing 3 stats. Maybe 4, depending. That means that it is just as easy for a Caster to have a 60 con as it is a fighter or rogue. Maybe easier.
I've seen melee DPS with 1100 HP and 1800 HP (non-reaper, ofc). I've seen casters with 1100 HP and 1800 HP (again, non-reaper).
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Symbiont wrote
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Now, time to see how utterly broken melee get.
Armor Up part duex
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Its honestly pretty sad that most of the players on that thread are complaining about how hard higher difficulty reaper is, when the benchmark for builds was supposed to be elite, and reaper was supposed to be a difficulty that encouraged grouping of regular players, and for the highest difficulty was supposed to be almost impossible.
R10 is already laughably easy with a decently skilled and competent group. And the pathetic losers cry because they can’t do r5+ efficiently on their melees and want to blame the game for being unfairly difficult. Instead of looking at the real reasons they suck in high reaper; shitty builds, lack of any effort to find good players to group with, and lack of cooperation.
But now the devs have caved to the mouth breathers on the forums who want to be able to solo reaper 7 on their arty/fighter multiclassed flavor build. I’ll take any buffs the devs throw melee, but it will probably make the game even more ridiculously easy and unchallenging. Would love to see them actually support a difficulty rework for elite, and to actually scale for elite instead of reaper, but that hope looks to be so far gone that even Han Solo isn’t trying to beat those odds.
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If you don't want to read the whole thread let me tl;dr what the general forum groupthink is:
- Melee kinda suck at solo R3 heroics compared to ranged
- This is, of course, the fault of DC casters at level 30 in R10's
Yeah, I see this ending real well.
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If ever a post needed a few of those "have you tried a lower difficulty?" People.....
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These lazy idiots who want all classes perfectly balanced would also complain about how rock-paper-scissors is unfair and they can't just always win with one over the other two.
Every class has their strengths and weaknesses based on the situation and dungeon.
Oh yeah, DDO is based on a ROLE PLAYING GAME. Quit fucking up the role playing aspect with your shitty "everyone must be equal in this world". The 1% will always rule the world. You 99% losers need to just go out in the real world and learn what it takes to become the 1%.
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Dark_Helmet wrote
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The 1% will always rule the world. You 99% losers need to just go out in the real world and learn what it takes to become the 1%.
Of all the things you could belong to the top 1% of in this world, you've picked a dying mmo?
Your mother must be proud of you.
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Skoodge wrote
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Of all the things you could belong to the top 1% of in this world, you've picked a dying mmo?
Your mother must be proud of you.
Considering he said "go out into the real world", I suspect his comment was more generalized comment about career, family, etc than just DDO. It may have even been a call to quit playing DDO and go do something meaningful with that time.
I could be wrong, but that was my interpretation.
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SSG only created Reaper in order to justify more power creep.
The end.
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote
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SSG only created Reaper in order to justify more power creep.
The end.
The same could be said about every level cap raise they ever did. And TR, ETR, ITR, RR. It's what MMO's do. They create a mountain to climb. Once a large enough percentage of the player base climbs that mountain, they build a new mountain.
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Asheras wrote
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they build a new mountain.
So
that's
why they're making White Plume Mountain..
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I think the only way to satisfy the "average players who spend all their time on the DDO forums trying to make everything equal" is to roll the game back to 2006 and level 10 cap with the 4 enhancement slots that had to be overwritten if you wanted a different enhancement.
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Dark_Helmet wrote
on May 10
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These lazy idiots who want all classes perfectly balanced would also complain about how rock-paper-scissors is unfair and they can't just always win with one over the other two.
Every class has their strengths and weaknesses based on the situation and dungeon.
Oh yeah, DDO is based on a ROLE PLAYING GAME. Quit fucking up the role playing aspect with your shitty "everyone must be equal in this world". The 1% will always rule the world. You 99% losers need to just go out in the real world and learn what it takes to become the 1%.
This equally balanced D&D shit sounds a lot like 4e, and we all know how that turned out...
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You can't balance D&D... and they have been trying to balance DDO for 12 years now... and failed.
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It is rare that you all agree to
- forumites are incompetent idiots
- SSG employees are incompetent idiots
...
oh, wait...
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Snu Snu wrote
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It is rare that you all agree to
- forumites are incompetent idiots
- SSG employees are incompetent idiots
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oh, wait...
Idiot.
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Gunga wrote
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Idiot.
Stating the obvious isn't clever.
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Asheras wrote
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They create a mountain to climb.
The only thing left to do, once you get to the peak is Alt+F4. Give me more, deity lives, weapon lives, anything.
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Snu Snu wrote
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Stating the obvious isn't clever.
Depends on what you're measuring against. Or measuring with. I hear it's all relative. Specifically, your Mom.
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Sid wrote
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The only thing left to do, once you get to the peak is Alt+F4. Give me more, deity lives, weapon lives, anything.
Deity lives you say?
Blood of Vol: 1d4 vampirism on melee attacks. Stacks up to three times.
Vulkoor: 1d4 poison damage on melee or ranged attacks. Stacks up to three times.
Silverflame: 1d4 good damage on melee or ranged attacks. Stacks up to three times.
You get the picture...
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Flav wrote
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You can't balance D&D... and they have been trying to balance DDO for 12 years now... and failed.
I object to the general you in that sentence. That's like saying "you can't make a working ladder in a game, they've tried for 12 years and failed." Other (arguably more competent) designers figured that shit out decades ago.
Please replace "you" with "the monkeys at turbine". Thank you for your time.
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Get Ready For Reaper Reincarnation!
We are very excited to announce the newest feature coming to DDO: Reaper Reincarnation! For the character that "has it all" this is your chance to "take it to the next level".
Like Epic Reincarnation, Reaper Reincarnation can only be done at level 30. It will also require 10,000,000 xp. But not just any experience points! You will need ten million Reaper Experience Points for each Reaper Reincarnation you wish to undergo. Those experience points, and the associated Survival Points, will be lost, and your character will be reset to level 1.
In exchange, you will earn one of 9 Reaper Past Lives (no other past lives are earned when you use a Reaper Heart).
Dread Adversary I grants +1 to hit and damage in Reaper Mode
Dread Adversary II grants +5 to hit and damage in Reaper Mode
Dread Adversary III doubles the value of all enhancements you take in the Dread Adversary tree.
Dire Thaumaturge I grants +50 sp in Reaper Mode
Dire Thaumaturge II grants +250 sp in Reaper Mode
Dire Thaumaturge III doubles the value of all enhancements you take in the Dire Thaumaturge tree.
Grim Barricade I grants +10 hp in Reaper Mode
Grim Barricade II grants +50 hp in Reaper Mode
Grim Barricade III doubles the value of all enhancements you take in the Grim Barricade tree.
The first feat for each tree unlocks the second, and the second feat unlocks the third.
Reaper Hearts come in three varieties, one for each Reaper Tree. They will be available in the DDO store and in game, for the low price of 2995 Turbine points or 100,000 Mysterious Remnants.
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Fuckwit wrote
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Get Ready For Reaper Reincarnation
Launches along with ReReaper difficulty.
It's re-HARD-ded!
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