9k dps is acceptable IMO for heavy/medium armor toons. For light armor / robes its like 12k.

Go do Bruntsmash on R5, then divide your dps by 0.28 to get your dps on elite. If you don't have VULN I would multiply by 1.2 as well.

Speaking of Vistani, is there animation for Greater and Supreme cleave with vkf style ? Like at all ?
On human there's like half assed retarded normal cleave spin but just fuck all for supreme and greater.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 1:34am:


That's too bad.  I still think the MaulBearian will stay up in the 18-19k /s range even after the nerf.  So will pure khopesh barb.  And with 2250hp before defensive fighting and reaper (2900 with my reaper pts and DF on) 250 prr, that's legit defense.

I see what you are saying about first lifers though because then the drop off in terms of both offense and more importantly defense is staggering.

Here is symb's dump file on his first life tests last week :

Tests included Consecrated Ground for 10% damage, and were using Aasimar as a better dps sink than human racial tree. All swf times were also twitched.

simboint dps tests


?Nightmare?Last Tuesday 9/18 at 10:50 PM


20 Fighter SWF Attempt 1: 26.8

20 Fighter SWF Attempt 2: 25.7

20 Fighter SWF Attempt 3: 27.1
= Average Time: 26.5 Seconds


?Nightmare?Last Tuesday at 11:10 PM


20 Fighter SWF Dagger Kensei T5 Attempt 1: 26.1

20 Fighter SWF Dagger Kensei T5 Attempt 2: 28.2

20 Fighter SWF Dagger Kensei T5 Attempt 3: 28.9
= Average Time: 27.7 Seconds


20 Fighter SWF Dagger Vistani T5 Attempt 1: 30.3

20 Fighter SWF Dagger Vistani T5 Attempt 2: 32.3

20 Fighter SWF Dagger Vistani T5 Attempt 3: 31.5
= Average Time: 31.4 Seconds

(edited)
September 19, 2018
?Nightmare?Last Wednesday at 12:28 AM

20 Fighter TWF Attempt 1: 29.1

20 Fighter TWF Attempt 2: 27.7

20 Fighter TWF Attempt 3: 31.1

20 Fighter TWF Attempt 4: 25.8

20 Fighter TWF Attempt 5: 30.3
Average Time: 28.8 Seconds

20 Fighter TWF Dagger Attempt 1: 26.6
20 Fighter TWF Dagger Attempt 2: 28.8
20 Fighter TWF Dagger Attempt 3: 28.1(edited)
Average Time: 27.83 Seconds(edited)

20 Fighter TWF Dagger Point-Up Attempt 1: 25.7(edited)
20 Fighter TWF Dagger Point-Up Attempt 2: 27(edited)
20 Fighter TWF Dagger Point-Up Attempt 3: 26.5(edited)
Average Time: 26.5 Seconds(edited)

?Nightmare?Last Wednesday at 2:19 AM
20 Rogue TWF Dagger Point-Up 25.8 Attempt 1
20 Rogue TWF Dagger Point Up 26.6 Attempt 2
20 Rogue TWF Dagger Point Up 27.1 Attempt 3

20 Rogue SWF Dagger 26.2 Attempt 1
20 Rogue SWF Dagger 24 Attempt 2
20 Rogeu SWF Dagger 27.1 Attempt 3
Average Time: 25.77 Seconds

?Nightmare?Yesterday at 3:50 PM
I clocked in higher with kensei t5s
20 Fighter SWF Dagger Kensei T5 Attempt 1: 26.1
20 Fighter SWF Dagger Kensei T5 Attempt 2: 28.2
20 Fighter SWF Dagger Kensei T5 Attempt 3: 28.9
= Average Time: 27.7 Seconds

20 Fighter SWF Dagger Vistani T5 Attempt 1: 30.3
20 Fighter SWF Dagger Vistani T5 Attempt 2: 32.3
20 Fighter SWF Dagger Vistani T5 Attempt 3: 31.5
= Average Time: 31.4 Seconds

?Nightmare?Yesterday at 9:52 PM
20 Barb SWF Vistani Attempt 1: 23.4 Seconds
20 Barb SWF Vistani Attempt 2: 25.7 Seconds

?Nightmare?Yesterday at 10:00 PM
20 Barb SWF Vistani Attempt 3: 26.9 Seconds
20 Barb SWF Flow Attempt 1: 30.1(edited)
20 Barb SWF Flow Attempt 2: 28
20 Barb SWF Flow Attempt 3: 26.3
20 Barb TWF Vistani 28
20 Barb TWF Vistani 26.4
20 Barb TWF Vistani 31.4
20 Barb TWF Flow 27.9
20 Barb TWF Flow 30.1
20 Barb TWF Flow 26.9

September 21, 2018
?Nightmare?Today at 12:00 AM 9/21
9 Druid 8 Fighter 3 Monk THF 32.1(edited)
9 Druid 8 Fighter 3 Monk 26.8
9 Druid 8 FIghter 3 Monk 20.9
9 Druid 8 Fighter 3 Monk 24.5

I did a TWF barb, and apples to apples it was 2s behind the THF. 12500 dps with vuln.
SWF was 1s behind TWF. 12000 dps. Apples to apples.

Symbiont may post back. He was getting some sick times with Wolf Silvanus stuff.

^^

Rolled a Staff of Shadows build to mess around with before lama closes. I don;t know if a higher dps build is out there, but this wasn't bad. Before the henshin nerfs this would have been an even better time using Elemental Bloom. Potentially even matching what the top builds are doing right now, had it not been for the nerfs.

12f/6mk/2re.
strength based.
dark monk.
t5 kensei, henshin t3, acro t2, kta, shintao t3 for jade strike.

twists :
wild weapons
hail of blows
dance of flowers
primal scream


37 to 33 seconds.
14k~ dps.

ap:
https://imgur.com/kFJvyP7

Halfmaniac wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:44am:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1529456087/35#35

Your times are close to what we were getting, except for the swf, your time on that one was oddly off compared to your twf times.

gear is pretty much the same if you went dex based, kta, adherent, silent.

The filigrees used were 5 prowess + 3 long shadow for the sentient 14d6 acid proc.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 2:25pm:


I'm a loyal SWF player and i was surprised as well it ran behind TWF, not sure what i was missing :/


Rubbinns wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 2:25pm:


Ah yes i meant Long Shadow, for the acid proc indeed. Snake bite is the poison proc.

Also, just to confirm. In the post you linked, not sure if i understand correctly but, you stated that Arborea is superior to Ethereal ONLY for a first lifer. So, having multiple lives, it's better to go Ethereal + Sneak of Shadows, correct?

Now, concerning twitching, which you said it was done during all those tests.
Would downpoint vistani still be behind regular twf without twitching?

cheers and thanks

Halfmaniac wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 5:22pm:

Generally, there can be some exceptions like rogues, both the times are close and do not lean to either side much. The clear cut winner is Sneak of Shadows past life and Ethereal, and that may be true for every build when using an Improved Deception item.

Halfmaniac wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 5:22pm:

Twitching only works on SWF, THF, and Animals. TWF does not allow for twitching. Down pointed style is slower than regular TWF. I did not try to twitch it. Could maybe.

As for twf twitching; you can sort of, maybe, unlikely, squeeze out some animation canceling by darting in a direction after the first 2 attacks, bypassing the 3rd attack, AKA the big spin and twirling sword blossom anime move. The draw backs on twf is that imprecise timing will cause your attacks to flounder by going into a clumsy double sword stab animation, which plummets the normal rate of twf.

The advantage gained would be nullified by that animation, and even in the case of a perfect execution the advantage is less than what swf, thf, and bears gain from glancing on every 1st blow. It works well on wolves as they do not suffer a fail of an animation if they miss their queue.

Rose-tinted Goggles wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:


If you want to really understand where dps comes from and how everything interacts, All it takes is spending as much time on lama as possible testing builds.   There are too many variables and it so too difficult to change your build on live. 

You can accomplish more in two days on lama than you can in 6 months on live.

Was there ever a working dps counter, that extracted from the combat log?

Rose-tinted Goggles wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 9:48pm:

On kobolds 30k + for the top builds on maxed characters. In game 25-20k. First life on kobolds 20-15k, in game about 11k~