how is a T5 kensai swash? still hopeless?

Rubbinns wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:



I see vangurd is the lowest on the melee and second lower before fury throwers. Was that pure vanguard ftr/paly? How fared  pure ftr tier 5 kensei core 6 vanguard?
Also ty for the work you are doing dude

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:



Ty for the answer.
Now for mu curiosity,  isnt calamity better on a non dwarf, or just better overall? you lose the glancing and dreadnaught axe fluf if you go there but gain critical range.
If still, d axe is better, what are the to go daxes atm? id guess  Lgsteel of even old  whyrm axes as there is not a named daxe atm that shines.

The numbers are posted somewhere else so i can chek it directly instead of continue bothering here?

crunch wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 1:58pm:

We did a khopesh swf using kensei tier 5, vanguard cores for shield bashes, swashbuckler tier 3 for skirmisher to enable buckler + khopesh and get swf activated. Even using full retard ap expenditure, it still resulted in the lowest times of all builds tested. And that is with using every available dps relevant ability. Omitting normal gameplay abilities entirely. Examples being stalwart stance, a major advantage swashbucklers have access to through bucklers. The stance functions while being equipped in a silent avenger set, something no other build except s&b vanguards can use.

Calamity beats any swashbuckler light weapon version, as does the kensei tree compared to the swash tree. And even that version is behind the builds listed in this thread. Paladins and swashbucklers are behind barbarians, which are behind monks, rogues, fighters, and tempests. Roughly in that order.    

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 8:16pm:


Thanks for the link. I think this clearly illustrates a number of things, mainly that the highest performing builds are all relaying huge sneak attack damage through the high attack rate of twf/wraps. Sneak attack damage also bypasses the twf half damage penalty for twf, further enabling these builds.

It might just be that Rogues could be the highest dps build in reaper. The debuff affects sneak attack damage the least of any damage type, and rogues deal the highest, and most consistent sneak attack damage. While sfw rogue may be more damage on a kobold race, it might be that twf's higher attack rate is superior in reaper.

The monk times in your sheet show a large disparity between users. Assuming not just the past lives, but also the rotations are different between players. 

Another thing to point out that correlates with my tests is that tempests are probably the lowest floor melee dps build right now. Proficient players can deal massive dps with just gear and skill. The lowest active attack rotation sequences, easy to gear for stats, incredible burst dps, and high uptime aoe attacks makes tempests extremely favorable for most players. 

Rubbinns wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 10:30am:


That was my prediction. Another possible confounder: is the kobold still immune to Assassin's trick? (I haven't been on lama recently)

Test 1. twf assassin

rogue 20: human
32pt build. ( no past lives )
dex based. 70 dex, 60 int.
ap:
41 asin
25 vkf
14 kta
https://imgur.com/a/4c13NRA

288 mp blitzing under prowess haste boost.
95 doublestrike under rapid slash.

Tenser is the only buff.
arborea without sneak of shadows.
twf daggers pain+pain, twisting symetric strikes.
30 seconds average. peaked 28.


Surprisingly a VKF tier 5 and capstone using vfk down style is only around 5 seconds behind.
VFK down pointed style is inferior in any variant and will be excluded from future tests.   
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Ethereal version ( w/o sos )
100 hide
268 melee power

seems to be behind by 2 seconds with averages around 32. peak of 30.

Probably worth dropping Ethereal in favor of arborea on first lifer without sneak of shadows.


This was a rather laggy lama today and I had to do a great number of beatdowns more than I usually spend time on. The rogue seems to perform close to tempests, not ahead on the kobold, but in higher skulls it should favor rogue and also for prolonged boss beatdowns due to cooldown limitations of 1k cuts.

Bluff can have its animation bypassed in melee by holding down attack and then press bluff while attack is pinned. Rather useless however since it deals 0 damage, and rogues get shiv ( which still! turns mobs around and deals + (W) ), assassin trick ( interrupts the basic attack animation ), and improved feint ( does not interrupt basic attack animations and deals +(W)).

quarterstaff test for pure 20 rogue. same gear as other rogue tests used ( Silent + adherent )with exception of bloodrage chrism.

Gulthas staff.
arborea. 255 melee power. 86 base doublestrike, 100+ under quickstrike
74 dex, 60 int.

ap;
41 acro
27 asin
12 harper

average of 50 seconds and peaked at 48. This is so horribly behind that I question what builds the devs were using and what gear they equipped when they said quarterstaff was the 7th best build. even if this build multiclassed into monk and kensei there is no way it gets to shave off 10 seconds. And even if it somehow managed to, 10 seconds faster still would not even place this into the top 15-20~ of what builds are doing today.

There isn't any need for me to even try monk splashes or kensei splashes with this shit tier dps pile. wtf is this even? there are like 10 kensei, rogue, monk, tempest, wolf, sylvanus, barb variants you can do right now that make this look like it isnt even playing the same game.

you want to know the best part was? the fucking staff got damaged during every 1.5 test runs. Yes, 1.5 test runs, not broken, but had to be repaired. on a fuking kobold dummy on lama....

just burn every staff in the game.

For what it's worth my Mual build registered a 12.3k/sec on live bruntsmash test.  That was only with regular buffs, remnant str pot, comm +2 dmg pot, and tensors.  No madstone, melee power pots or prowess set gear swaps or other shinanigans.  So factor that in however you want.  Split was 12 fighter/6 paly/ 2 monk, centered kensie with exahlted smite.  I have recently TR'd into a new barbarian version with the new barb update so we'll see how it goes.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 12^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:


Ok so I guess more detail is needed  I don't take unbalancing strike as only 2 monk levels and shit for wisdom.  I don't take words as any group I run in at high reaper, someone has vulnerable creation, especially in raids. The math on my run assumed 20% vulnerable.

I don't have any monk stances beyond lesser as I took child of silvanus and greater weap specialization for more static dps vs the multiplier on just 19/20 in fire stance at greater. So trying to include the earth finisher into my attack chains takes longer and i usually don't do it, although i could of for this test and maybe gotten in 3 or 4 attempts at it. 

All the extra AP I could spend in getting the monk stuff, I have in Stalwart mainly because I usually need the defense to cover my own mistakes, and the build is a bit squishy anyway.  I didn't want to rework my enhancements to squeeze out every last drop of dps for the test, more to get an everyday idea of what it would be in a boss fight. 

So having said all that, the attack chain is as you said but without most of the monk stuff, with 7 exhalted smites and a momentum swing early on. 

Ok well if I go back to it after the current barbarian version that I'm trying, I will take your advice and test it out.  Still, with what I was lacking based on what you are saying, it seems Mauler can be pretty good and you didn't have one up on the OP it looked like.

Only really had a chance to test barbs on lama last night, but they are in a good spot for dps right now.

Tested twf and swf. Dojo gear using adherent + avenger with Calamity.
Strength when raged, primal scream, and ship buff was 96.
Int score of 50.

TWF recorded peaks of 25 seconds and lows of 32 seconds. That puts it on par with tempests. I was really impressed with the performance because it does not rely too much on bursts.

SWF times were in the high 30s to the low 40s on non-twitch fighting. Even twitching wouldn't get it to match the best times of the TWF version.

AP used

Good stuff.  Thanks for testing.

Ya the DR from Occult Slayer is looking sexy---and they get a 10 mp clicky and ear smash. You can still grab the improved power attack from ravager and kta with 41 ap in frenzy.