Rubbinns wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:21pm:

and I did.
23 seconds



twists;
symmetric
hail of blows
tunnel vision
primal

managed to fit this in just now as lama closed.

full rotation was ; Cruel -> Crackling -> Slaughter -> Hate -> Exhausting.

Ranking the dps times for 1st life characters. The order for max lives + top gear may be slightly different.

Barbarian is the king of the melee dps title. It might be possible to do a sub 21 on a first lifer and sub 20 on a second life with sneak of shadow. This would require better gear swap to raise damage and int scores. While taking store and yugo stat potions, prowess potion, tensers, good hope, titan's grip, all 5 abishai cookies, hezrou cookie,  stormrage clicky, madstone rage, and some augments. Possibly even faster if your barb has reaper/mythic gear, and high rolls 19-20s on the test ( slaughter in particular on a 19-20 is some amount of absurd W dice that no other class gets aside what monks have, except barb has a x8 multiplier on calamity).

Tempest is right behind followed closely by rogues, then come the fighters and monks. animal forms come in roughly ahead of fighters slightly.



gibbon wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 9:44pm:


10k for bow? or 10k for stars? stars want 100 dex as a goal.

Really good info - thanks again.

gibbon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 10:59pm:

Bows get to use slayer arrow, which gives them the best burst time of any build. The top bow builds can down 500k in 5-6 seconds. That is 3-4 unbridled + adrenaline ticks/charges on a manyshot volley.

Shuris get multiple stars per animation resulting in the fastest rate of fire. ANT + Shuri Expertise on a 100 dex character is 3 stars base + doubleshot/tripleshot chances on each star. With 200 dshot+100 dex it's around 9 stars every animation when under a 10k stars.

monkchers were built to launch a sustained burst for 80 seconds out the first 90, by going 10k -> manyshot -> 10 seconds of cooldown -> 10k.

The entire rotation puts a strain on the bursts by limiting the chaining thru cooldowns.  Start with the best burst of 10k -> manyshot -> 10 seconds of cooldown -> 10k. Then it's 30 seconds of cooldown until 10k-> 10k -> 30 seconds until manyshot cooldown -> manyshot -> 10 seconds until 10k coolsdown -> 10k -> and done. Until another 30/60 seconds goes by and both 10k and manyshot come off cooldowns for the rotation to be repeated again. The rate goes from 80 of 90 on first burst rotation, to 80 of 190, then 30 seconds of nothing before you can start that over. Total of 160 out of 310 seconds.

I am unsure if anyone has a Falcon AA using wis to damage. The AP would have to be better than not taking DWS and KtA. But does sound promising as the returns on wisdom for a bow are better than any other stat because of the 10k bonus to rp.

Ulysses wrote on Aug 20^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

While I would love for this to turn out as awesome as you think it will be, I doubt it.  Archer builds are such a standard in RPG games yet their soooo subpar in DDO compared to other ranged classes, melee, etc.  It's a shame.

I think it will be great in random PUG groups filled with scrubs who will really appreciate the CC, but it will be mostly dead weight in good reaper groups for several reasons.  The AA paralyze proc doesn't induce helpless status.  Blind is a clusterfuck in high skull reaper that causes mobs to attack random people instead of your tank and worse, running around causing your DPS to waste time tracking them down.  IPS paralyzing is a poor substitute for AE paralyze/stun/cc as it takes several attack sequences to lock everything down.  In good groups, the mobs will be mostly dead before you finish paralyzing everything.

For a flavor build and/or a PL though, it's probably not bad and might be fun to play just because it's different.

Digimonk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2018 at 11:21am:


I double most of your words but
1) archers and especially monkchers easily beat up any ranged build but thrower ones. Burst damage is probably best in game.
2) paralyzing not that bad. On higher skulls real issues are champs. Avarage wizard cc chain is crushing dispair>masshold>Web/disco and mobs save prismatic or flesh to stone or hypnotic or other stuff. If champ fey or save a lot or just roll couple 20th it may be a big problem for your party. Same for dire charges. Its not spammable and champs may save it. And paralyzing not only okay dc but spammable aswell, with good doubleshot you are doing almost 9 attempts to paralyze your target per second.

Lama comes up on the 18th. We will be testing swash and pally dps.

Digimonk wrote on Sep 14^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Im gonna spread lies so that mobo posters start crying about bard dps being op and then they get nerfed by steel.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 14^th, 2018 at 9:18pm:

Sad thing is, that would probably work.

PT wrote on Sep 15^th, 2018 at 1:29am:

yes, i planned on covering pally and swash splits, as those are the only melees we havent tested. last time i tested pally and swash was around u31, and the dps has tripled since then on the classes we did test.

StratleThot wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 10:03am:


That is interesting, thanks. 10-11k is what a full dps set up did on a quaterstaff pure 20 rogue build on u38 lama. This leads me think that by going full dps, a 15/5 paladin would be around 12k~ using calamity x2.

I go for full dps set ups to gauge the full maximum output for all classes. This reduces variance between player build preference and personal gearing decisions. Actual in game builds are around 5-10 seconds different due to gearing and ap concessions for survival.

The gear layouts are all adherent + silent, improved deception, full dps ap and feats expenditure, maxed blitz, and only tenser as a non-class/twists buff. Most of the tests are done using the arborea feat on first life characters. 

I will run a 15/5 tempest and a pure to see the gap between the two. If I have time i will try a 15/5 kensei, but I have at least 2 swash splits and 4~ versions of them to test as well. That should complete the dps testing for all the major melee builds, not looking at any EK, warpriest, etc splits.


So far the ranking for each class tested by me are as follows :

1st place : BARB 2wf, calamity, FB tier 5 + cap/KTA. 20k~ dps.

2nd place : TEMPEST, calamity, strength based. 19k~ dps.

3rd place :  ASSASSIN, pain x2, Dex based. 17k~ dps.

4th place : MONK, dex based, 14k~ dps.

5th place : FIGHTER, pure 20 twf str based calamity. 13k~ dps.

6th place : Acrobat, 20 rogue dex based, gulthas staff, 11k~ dps.


I tested an animal split and that came in at slightly ahead of the fighter. I also tested a swf calamity kensei using buckler + bard 3 lv split, it did about 12.8k~ dps. Which makes me think swash splits should come in at around 11-12k~ dps.

PT wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 12:12pm:

You're right. Taking Zeal over Holy Sword and letting kensei give the + 1/1 crit profile. It also has a slight edge on enhancement bonus on the weapon and a feat. Though for in game I would probably use Holy Sword for random weapon swaps vs skeletons or a raksasha. Minor benefit, but the 14/6 should come out ahead on raw dps.