MisterHank wrote on Jul 6^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

where did i say the dummy was round? what would that have to do with anything at all?

wtf are you even okay?

And thanks for asking, I'm kinda baked so could be retarded also.

MisterHank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 1:20am:

yeah, np. you seemed a little off tonight.

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 2:24am:


The cake (circle) is a lie.

the-elite.net - Goldeneye and Perfect Dark speedruns

Ryan Lockwood's narrated replay of his record-tying 1:12 Streets Agent run with subtitles. He's narrating his run over stream to a 50+ audience, shortly after achieving it. It was the first time he or anyone else watched the run.

Hundreds know Ryan Lookwood from his Twitch stream; dozens others have met him at our annual meetup. There are a lot of, um... idiosyncratic dudes that take to speedrunning, and Ryan Lockwood is no exception. He's an intense dude, in short.

Ryan is the second person to achieve the time of 1:12 on this level. Normally record ties aren't big news, but Ryan hit this time before getting 1:13. This is absurdly unlikely. 1:12 is one of the most frame-for-frame maxed times in GoldenEye, first accomplished by Marc Rützou in 2012, a player whose made a name for grinding hard to break/set records that are daunting to match. With 20+ people sharing the old record of 1:13 in early 2012, the prospect of 1:12 was a popular debate in the forums. A $100 bounty was posted for anyone who could get this time--legitimately--and after weeks of attempts, Marc won the "race". Only a few have shown serious intentions (or even interest) in matching the feat since. Technically, Ryan isn't among them, as 1:13 was his goal. But you'll see in the video that he had a good sense of what was on the line toward the end of his run.

The nuances of "modern" Goldeneye speedrunning may be hard to detect, but the novelty of this run's unlikeliness should not be. A 1:14 run Streets is probably a 1 in 20 event, with respect to Lockwood's ability. A 1:13 absolutely requires something random (see: RNG) -- the presence of a grenade launcher guard. Let's call 1:13 a 1 in 500 event. A 1:12 run leans on "RNG factors" even more, also requiring at least 3 "boosts" from gunfire (getting shot in the pack, pushing you ahead slightly). Let's suppose 1 in 10,000 odds for 1:12, in which case you can probably expect dozens of 1:13 runs before achieving 1:12. Think of this like a statistical outlier in a distribution plot -- perhaps a few hundred data points between 74.0 and 75.0 seconds, thousands between 74.0 an 76.0, and one 72.9.

[Written by Derek Clark]

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:



Yes  I'm making a stronger case for a square...because of coding.
Not that does not meant that by modern standard other options are not available... after all my hand on experience was in 1990 with a 68000 processor.
And we had a blast doing it once we became aware of all the wierd thins tied to clock cycle... because it involved thinking out of the box... But still the Circle was one of our nightmarethat we never manage to solve. 

they just discovered that hitboxes are square

wait til they figure out that mob ai is programmed and not random

or maybe theyre the type of players who persistently push a retreating ranger in one direction until he rubber bands even after 15 years of game play

wait til they figure out that the origin of attacks and the center of hitboxs are not aligned

or maybe they like taking damage

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2018 at 3:25am:


All of the "DDO must be like D&D" people should be happy, since the last time I played D&D we used a square grid map for moving around and stuff.  We did have template circles for some round AOEs though.

Flav wrote on Jul 5^th, 2018 at 1:21pm:


So when they use squares for the actual AOE and draw circles for what they show the players as the false AOE, they are getting the worst of all possible worlds?  Wrong visual display and they still have to spend the 10x clocks to draw the circles?  Sounds like the solution SSG would implement.

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:


Well, that should be more like "fix the subroutine that all of the AOEs call to draw their circles."  One fix, works for all spells.  I mean, I really hope they didn't have to add identical code to every f-ing aoe spell in the game.  But they couldn't have had to do that, because if they did they would never have done it.

Spell circles are drawn client-side. We can waste those few CPU clocks.

Squares are server-side calculations that saves hundreds of resources

Compare 2 values:
1<x<10
15<y<25

is much easier in CPU terms than

((x-10)^2+(y-25)^2)^0.5< 10

(and that's just on 2D plane)

So if you love lags alot go for it and force SSG to implement circles server-side.

THis is not a new discovery.  It has been known for a long time.  I remember threads on the mobo's back in 2008 and 2009 about it.   (predating even the vault).   BB kiting discussions were the topic and how kiting outside the visible circle was the key because it gave you 4 procs per trip, depending on AI pathing.

They aren't going to change it.  Unless they re-write the game engine.(Not happening)   Just deal with it and use the knowledge to your advantage, like you do with all the other wonky physics engine stuff and geometry glitches that create safe spots and stuck spots for mobs and AI/pathing weaknesses.

This explains something I have noticed sometimes with spot skill.

I have seen sometimes that I could see stealthed mobs further away from me to the sides, then they would dissapear when I turned to face them.

Probably the same thing.