Apparently SSG has decided that melee need upwards of a 50% HP increase.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/294678755?t=08m30s

Appears to be a stance that will drop RP to 0, spell casting range to touch only, and +50% HP. Auto granted in epic levels.

Time to dump con.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/498584-Melee-Survivability-Changes-Som...


this probably does not hit live as proposed. it raises tanks to over 10k+ hp, dwarf con barbs to 7k+. It's actually great for characters without all the racials and epic lives, but there is no way they can balance that without making uber characters even more godly. there are already low skilled/ low game iq players soloing r6 on melees that let their racials, epics, and reaper points carry them.

Technomage wrote on Aug 8^th, 2018 at 4:33pm:

it's such good return on xp. compare it to an entire heroic life and passive pl benefit/feat. 1 point in any tree is few hp, + any of damage, attack, dc, prr, dodge, spell pen, spell points, mrr, or main stat.

it's better than a past life.

I'm ready to do 10 front number with 10 million hp.

Never mind the kobold I'm fighting can be instakilled or charmed. I'll just wander around doing less dps to a reaper than an energy drain. I might as well carry innervate scrolls around.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:


It doesn't stack with either defender or bear enhancement hp buffs though (competance), it'll just be whichever's greater (presumably this), would you still hit those #s?

dilletaint wrote on Aug 8^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

No, then the increase is halved roughly if theyre staying in the hp stance. so if tanks get to 6k in reaper, then new stance would be 7.5k instead of 9k if it were to stack

barbs, monks, rangers, rogues get more leverage out of it since they lack a stance. barbs will get an insane return while monk, rogue, and ranger would mearly net 1-1.5k~ , as most of them are at 2-3k hp in reaper.

Honestly I see what he's trying to do, but I'm not sure how they can make melees easier to play for less skilled players playing less than optimal builds without trivializing reaper for the melees who are already running r10.

Edrein wrote on Aug 9^th, 2018 at 1:42am:


The problem he's trying to solve with the whole casting thing is obvious, but instead of this whole touch range thing I'd like to see a different method to prevent casters from taking advantage of this. Something similar to the combat expertise penalties would probably be a better solution.

If this goes live, Aasimar will become even more popular than it already is for people who run high skulls.

This will also probably encourage people to play aura-less auralocks which is something we definitely don't need.

acidpickachu wrote on Aug 8^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:


SSG just stumbles from one knee-jerk to the next.  A year of melee whining about reaper and SSG are just starting to react, while the smart portion of the player base has figured out that it isn't so hard after all and melees are rocking reaper.

"Too little, too late" doesn't even apply here.  It's more like "Unneeded, too late."

Mogambo Guru wrote on Aug 9^th, 2018 at 8:34am:


Isn't that what they are supposed to do? Remember when they didn't circle jerk us?

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 8^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:


Even if they were to stack, a tank in HP stance would not go from 6k to 9k. Percent HP boosts add together, then apply to HP. Current 6k HP tanks are probably Fighter or Paladin with Artificer and Wizard splashes in US, probably with a 4 piece GS set. They would already have a 90% increase to HP from those sources, giving them about 3.2k HP before percent boosts are considered. Adding in the extra 30% from the new stance and 10% from the now-stacking Aasimar stance and they would be looking at around 7.3k HP after the change.

if this is a % increase, nothing changes, those who have more hp will get even more, but if it was actually a fixed value like 1k it would be better.