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This coming from the guy who's been consistently wrong for the entire thread

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 3:20pm:


The XP-per-min thing came about as a result of XP potions, which caused its own problems. Instead of running at higher difficulties or bigger payouts, the most "efficient" method became figuring out which quests were offered the fastest completions for the biggest payouts.

It was another great example of the gulf between "how the devs think players play" and how players actually play. They WANT everyone to be challenging themselves on the highest difficulties, but then create systems that reward playing on lower settings(see: xp/min, tiered difficulty items, 20th completions, drop rates, etc).

noamineo wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 3:56pm:


They don't want anybody to do anything other than play the game, and they want to give approximately the same experience of playing the game to people to whom challenge is normal difficulty. They are already aware of people seeking out the best return on their time investment, and they don't care because that's just people playing the game the way they want to play it. As long as people are enjoying the game it's pure win. The problem is when whiny little twatbaskets show up and say that the best reward per time invested isn't challenging enough and they can't find enough people to do challenging shit with them because they are whiny little twatbaskets who min/max everybody coming through the door because they have an ideal of what the perfect situation to make challenge less challenging is. That's why I hated the fuck out of old epics and most top tier raids because it was a bunch of whiny fucks complaining that your toon only had 300hp and how the hell could you contribute if you didn't have at least 400hp like everybody in his imaginary friends list.

Revaulting wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 5:52pm:


I wouldn't have been much use in a group anyway I was dual-wielding bastard swords with no twf feats. On a paladin. With a couple sorcerer levels. I was exactly the guy you were avoiding. And yet, in many ways... it was my favorite time playing.

Revaulting wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 6:52pm:


I'm not much of a people person either. I like MMOs for the persistent world and the usually much better gameplay dynamics. I like being around people but not interacting with them. So yeah, that I get.

Frank wrote on Aug 30^th, 2018 at 10:55am:


When has any company that added to their product ever foreseen the consequences of it's action? That's trying to put them on god level shit. I don't know of anybody that's ever implemented a thing that didn't fuck up somewhere on the line and create unintended results. Pepsi fuckin Crystal dude.

Frank wrote on Aug 30^th, 2018 at 10:55am:


Gramh, not sure if you're serious.  If not, good troll.

If you are, though, Frank nailed it.

Regarding Crystal fucking Pepsi, it was added to the product lineup by the rockstars at Pepsi and not deployed as a replacement to an extant product, so that's different from the Turbine model.

The people who didn't like it weren't forced to use it, also different than how Turbine does it.

When it was shown to not be as desirable as expected, they learned from the mistake and pulled it from production.

Crystal Pepsi has enough of a following that it's been re-released and according to Pepsi's website ( https://www.pepsicobeveragefacts.com/home/wheretobuy ) is available for purchase in at least 20 stores near the 90210 area code (it's also available in other areas - maybe you can find some near you).  This is also different from how Turbine does things.

If Turbine studied the Crystal Pepsi timeline and could be arsed to learn from it instead of continue to push the "no other environments are like ours, you just don't understand how unique and special we are" crap, the user environment would be a lot less unpleasant.


The issue with Turbine isn't that they cannot foresee the consequences of their actions, it's that they never ever accept responsibility for the consequences of their actions and will not look at past outcomes from the customer's point of view when making new choices.  They have plenty of other dysfunctions, notably a refusal to put any value on past efforts of developers or customers.

It's pretty common for other companies to contemplate the consequences of hypothetical actions and act to avoid undesirable outcomes. 

It's not unlike wiping your ass - people don't notice when you DO wipe your ass, but they'll complain when you don't.  Wiping your ass is expected behavior and you're not going to be congratulated on doing what you're supposed to.  You'd be well advised to use Purell after shaking hands with someone from Turbine.

Of course you guys would suck eachothers dicks, you're all into that anti-fanboy but can't stop paying for a service you love to shit on bullshit.

The game would be shit if it never changed, and no matter what the fuck they did you gayfags would be here bitching about it or it'd be some other group of gayfags who created a site to bitch about it.

Admit that despite your nitpicky bullshit they've done a good enough job to get at least most of you to continue paying for the game and how retarded it would have been to have left the shit alone to rot and die because then what would you spend your week pissing and moaning about?

and how come you fuckwads are so anal retentive enough to overexplain an obvious joke about how crystal pepsi was shit for mass marketing? who the fuck does that?

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That's my thing.  Also, your Crystal Pepsi refrence continues to be a lousy example.

Stop slacking. That's a Turbine thing.

Digimonk wrote on Aug 30^th, 2018 at 9:10pm:


no just troll and help folk, any internet tough guy routine is just a perception that idiots seem to have when they are getting trolled or they are bitching about something stupid like an exploit getting fixed. i'm guessing you're the guy that bitches publicly about exploits getting fixed that i make fun of every time he pops up? because you seem that type of idiot.

When Crystal Pepsi was originally released, it quickly disappeared and was perceived as a failure. But, there’s a lot more to the story. Crystal Pepsi didn’t exactly fail on its own merit. It was targeted and then eliminated by the Coca-Cola company in what Coca-Cola Chief Marketing Officer at the time, Sergio Zyman, described as a “kamikaze” marketing strategy. In order to kill Crystal Pepsi, Coca-Cola created a terrible tasting beverage to create consumer confusion and ultimately kill both brands. It turned out to be an eye-opening example of just how brutal competition can truly be.

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did you just have a stroke, GrandNN?