I swung by the DDO wiki to check the date for the anniversary(I had forgotten when it was), and discovered that the Special Event History page hasn't have an anniversary event updated since 2015. Is the wiki just no longer getting the proper love it needs?

Well yeah, many game wikis are volunteer-run and maintained. I take it the guy running it is also so toxic he can't get anyone to help him?

noamineo wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:



I used to make edits there, the attitude of "wiki god" made me say fuck this shit

Snu Snu wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 5:08am:

Try it dude, shoe is a pita and micromanages every shit.  Was tiring to cope with that and as someone said, its a non remunerated activity. I cared enough to test  and search a lot of thunderholme stuff when it came out, now even if i had time to do so i wouldnt bother just to be shitted uppon by that dude.

noamineo wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 5:10pm:


Not just edits, entire interfaces.  Someone had made a custom dashboard or splash page or something along those a while back that had some users and he fucked it to the point of uselessness for reasons entirely his own.

noamineo wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 5:10pm:


When I was attempting to edit there at the time, there was a group of about 4 or 5 people that "maintained" the wiki. So yeah, it was a couple of years ago.

When I did my edits, I included an explanation on why I added something, usually a rare mob with an XP objective that wasn't already included. Every edit I made was reverted by one of the main editors without an explanation why it was reverted.

So, yeah, it was time-consuming trying to prevent your edits from disappearing by the main editors. It wasn't even even Anons that were deleting stuff from the wiki, but the main editors.

But the blame was always on the Anons ruining the wiki. Eventually, blame for the vandalism by Anons lead to a security code or captcha being added to the wiki when you logged in. It's also telling that when that security code/captcha was added, the wiki almost completely stopped updating since causal editors just stopped updating.

I feel like a lot of DDO's community would be ripe for picking on at Kiwi Farms. From what I'm reading here, it sounds like the admins there actively are doing everything they can to make DDOwiki less effective for everyone.

noamineo wrote on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 10:14pm:


Especially if the rules for the game keep changing.

crunch wrote on Aug 20^th, 2018 at 7:15am:


The high level question would be whether it makes sense for a purely volunteer wiki to be:

A)  Easily maintained by a few dedicated expert editors who know the templates and methods being used.

or

B) Easily maintained by a large pool of casual editors.  Who only need to know how to use a word processor and some basic markups.

A case could be made for either scenario.   The right answer, to me, would depend on how stable you expect your few dedicated expert editors to be.   If they build a complex wiki automation system that creates a barrier to entry for other editors then they need to understand that, in making that decision, they are making a commitment.   They should stay active and keep it updated and if they want to leave, stay long enough to locate and educate a replacement.   It almost becomes an unpaid part time job.   If you don't want to sign up for that, then KISS method works best.

My 2 cents is B is much better for a community effort. Making sure every single monster stat is accurate is less important than basic gameplay information, which has to be updates with every release anyway.

Wipe wrote on Aug 20^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:


Believe it or not, there are people who believe that keen/impact stacks with improved crit.

Wipe wrote on Aug 20^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:


If you do some digging, you can still find it in the history. There's apparently also a mobo thread.
http://ddowiki.com/index.php?title=Threat_range&oldid=383099#Named_weapons

Barkabout wrote on Aug 20^th, 2018 at 12:01am:


LOL, so true!