Rickyretardo wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 11:24am:


Melee are OP, the problem I say again, is the benefit from reaper points and past lives. Funny I was just seeing this video this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m150Hz0wjSI, sure you can say it's a monk, but most of other melees can do this too. They did on a barb, there was a lot of crying on mobos. People will do on a ranger, bard fighter, melee druids, maul divines I'm sure. You can't do that on a caster thought.

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:


Rubbinns did a good job at explaining why adding dire charge was beneficial for melee diversity.

As per my earlier post, I agree with him that adding something made sense, but I would've preferred had their solution been something more elegant than "here's generic, really good aoe cc that every single melee should take". That having been said, given the immense headache that would've ensued had they tried to create unique cc options of various levels of efficacy for each of the classes I can understand why they chose to go the one size fits all route.

Pseudonym wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

I too have little faith that ssg could have implemented a unique and creative effect for every melee class and tree.

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

there are a number of r10s that melee cannot solo that caster can charm and cc through.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 4:41pm:

They are totally gay and retarded.

But they did a good job with vistani tree.

ILoveExploits wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 4:38pm:

If by "not stupid op like monks", you mean higher DPS than monks, some pretty incredible utility (trapping and stealth), and *good enough* defenses, you're right.

Otherwise, this is incorrect and you should stop living in the meta of 9 months ago before SSG kicked monks' melee power in the balls and toned down Duality.  Saying outdated stuff like this makes you sound like the motherboard sheeple.

Monks are really solid still, but they're not king of the hill in everything anymore.  They're still in the top tier of DPS with some really good defense and CC to go with it, but stupidly OP'd?  Nope.  If you think that, you haven't seen what the best rogues and tempests are doing these days.

ILoveExploits wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Lol mate. Roll a monk, really. You'll find out that life with 50 mrr isnt that great :-b stop farming r2s ans start a real game. Those videos with 100% dire charge procs are made by hours and days of actual tries. On life no monk can run even r7 solo with 100% winrate without burning cakes. So stop to cry about monks and just git gut. You were pointed on todays much more powerfull variants, yet still talking about monks winning this game

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:


Let me guess... Video is Grim? *click* Whatta surprise! It is Grim! Everyone and their dog knows that Grim is the new gold standard of class balance.

ILoveExploits wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 7:35am:

All I'm seeing from you is "Waaaaaaaahhhh.  Monks hurt my feelz."  Your argument about an everything-pletionist using a "beginners" build is stupid.  You're conflating ease of use with maximum potential.   Seriously, you sound like a clueless motherboarder. 

A simple and an advanced build can have similar maximum potential.  FFS, please don't ever try to suggest that ease of play should be how classes' maximum potential is balanced.  That's a terrible idea.

Most min/maxed melee DPS builds are *close* on everything these days (paladins, qstaff builds, bards and a few other odd ones need some TLC though).

Amazingly enough, SSG has actually sort of balanced them.  I think it's proof of the 1000 monkeys on keyboards concept personally, but regardless, melee DPS are pretty comparable to each other but with enough nominal differences in DPS, defense, CC, buffs and utility that anyone with a functioning IQ can run whichever they want and do well.

Being a beginner friendly class has zero correlation to being "way ahead of any other class with the same gear and PLs" on a 'pletionist.  That's another nonsensical argument.  That same 'pletionist would be just as far ahead of a newbie on a non-monk meta build as they would be on a monk assuming they could play the non-monk build with the same levels of skill. 

Being beginner friendly just means that it's a simpler build to play to a "doesn't suck" level of proficiency and close to the class' maximum potential.  Being simple to play doesn't mean it's overpowered though.  It just means that casuals and mediocre players will suck less while running one of those builds than they would an advanced build that requires precise timing, in-depth knowledge of game mechanics, etc. to run to the same level of efficiency as the simple builds.

I know vince retro gord

Those rarely ever die on monks or anything they do play

We usually short man r5s n good groups r6-8s fast ez

Got my wings all i cared about and def insanely bored with

the state of casters these days now

Fallout 76 coming long before casters ever get a fucking

pass in what like 10 years n boost melee dpsers even more

right on

ILoveExploits wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

Funny, I was thinking you must suck at playing anything more complicated than warlocks and monks.  You're stuck in last year's meta.  The meta has moved on.  You should, too.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 4:41pm:


Right, they finish in 200 hours completion time. Unless you're talking a about a couple quests in house j

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 9:57am:

I agree with you but if we remove dire charge what melees are going to do in high skulls?

Wait for cc and beat dummies?

The game now is dumber than before even with reaper bs that just ruined lots of builds.

Metal-Beast wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 11:07am:


I should have added "and not bitching about the champs"