Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 10:48am:

Melee couldnt do it in 400 hours.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 12:09pm:


the point is nobody yes door about those completions. Game shouldn't be balanced around what these people decide to boild their brains in 200 hours

Rickyretardo wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 12:46pm:


Why do you think this is an argument? They haven't done that on a caster

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 11:11am:


Funny I just saw a 11 min melee video of this

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 1:59pm:


Isn't it obvious?

The Video you linked was the toughest non-raid content you could possibly do at the time. Harbour Q's aren't quests that I would exactly point at and scream 'look OP' due to their simplistic nature. (please do note, that it's probably harder to do R10 solo today on a melee than EE-WGU back in the day).

If a melee can do everything as you claim, please show me some proof of it. Melee wouldn't be my go-to for solo rxping -- totally lacks pacing and presence.

Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 2:10pm:

Thats why the game is dead.

Only a few do high skulls shit because even with good groups it is boring as fuck.

ILoveExploits wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 6:02pm:

Ehh each to their own. High(er) skulls epics is the only fun thing left, imo.

ILoveExploits wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 2:10pm:


Agreed.

Running mid to high skull raids is the closest thing I've found to the old end game feeling, because roles/strategy/having a group that doesn't suck become things that matter again. Unlike the old end game, there isn't much content with relevant gear. Only 4 out of the 10 level 30+ raids have anything that people would realistically be using at level 30. The majority of classes fill the majority of their gear slots with Ravenloft quest items that're easy to get, which is nothing like having to farm for (potentially) months to get one thing that you want. It took lots of people years to get their esos shard, and that wasn't even a full item. Compare that to 2018, where I can get a full set of endgame gear (albeit not with maxed out reaper and mythic bonuses) in less than one month without having to try hard or get particularly lucky. Oh, and most of that gear is BTA.

The current endgame suffers from both a lack of difficult content and a lack of long-term incentive to run said difficult content. For all of the problems with FoS's tiered loot system, he was absolutely correct that making difficult content worth running requires some form of motivation beyond a marginally higher chance at getting the exact same item.

The current loot system is immensely favorable for those of us who use bots, because the odds of me pulling the item I want with the reaper and mythic bonuses that I want are so low and scale so little based on skulls that in nearly all cases if I'm loot farming I'm better off running the same content on a lower difficulty with bots.

My two main thoughts are
- A good end game needs longevity, which the old s/s/s/base system coupled with a whole bunch of raids that had bis gear provided but the current system does not
- A good end game needs to contain difficult content that's worth running, which was easier to do in the old epic system than it is with the current difficulty system coupled with the current loot system

Pseudonym wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 3:09am:


Kinda.  I like the need for strategy over zerging.  I like the need for cooperation over zerging.  And I like the need to not be a pile of dumb fucks over zerging.

But then the fact that 20+ rez scrolls are used makes the feeling like it isn't an exercise in resource management kind of fade away.

ILoveExploits wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 3:40pm:


Lmao sounds exactly like whining about facing extra strong extra fast lightning fetish champ in diablo 2 act 3 back in my days :-D Champs are great right now as is. Champs are not that strong on elite. Champs buffed on reaper cause people wanned challenge - they get it. Multiprocs were annoying, yet they fixed it for sure.

ILoveExploits wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 6:02pm:

Is farming slavers/amber/raids/lifes much funnier? Most competent players who can do higher skulls group up and do higher skulls. Cause if its "boring" for you to play, just stop to play :-D if your toon and player skill that huge that you can do anything r10 with no fail and deathes, and you find it boring, there will be no fun for you in r1 shormans, unti you like to enjoy to power creep over mobs who cant do anything to you.

I've ran higher skulls in different parties, god ones, bad ones, with 2 competent wizzies and with one, with no healer and with 3 divines in a party. Im pretty sure you are kind of those who can only attack held mob and getting oneshot by any cleave or random aggro. There is aleways work for any competent player in higher skulls dependless what are you playing: tank, cc, dps, healer or insta. You have to build smart, have to know how to kite and when to kite, how to position self and how to use map, corners, objects. There is a lot of cheese, yet until you know all of it, until you beat everything with no wipes its not that boring.

Rzyman wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 7:11pm:

A lot of ppl seens to be taking your advice and quit the game.

Ive been doing epics since sands become epic.
Atm we have the worst end game ever.

R1 is easier than EE and r10 is stupidly boring.
you dont need to be good to beat held mobs in r10 all you need is a good caster.

ILoveExploits wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 7:19pm:


I dont know your party setup. If you had no monks with good tomb DC, if you had no wizzy with goodhalt undead DC, no frogger (if triple law wont help though), if you had no tank (no champ mage can kill 4+k 300mrr guy on r6 as the tank I was literally immortal up to r9, and ghosts are intimidable), if you had them but they had no spell absorb, jibbers, cant recovery by corner, etc, than you just should not play difficulty this high ^^ I do remember r6 invition run with the monk as the tank. We still were learning game and almost wiped at south tower top cause of same reason: ghosts. Party was decent and had no clue what to do. Just tank making this fight cheesy ass hell up to r10. Frogger or couple divines in general and you dont need even a tank.

ILoveExploits wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 3:40pm:


I hardly know what any of the champs do till I swap to melee. Amazed that SSG haven't tried to balance this since the inception.

Rzyman wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 7:55pm:

I dont give a flying fuck about you amd what you think lol.

Even with 10 skulls end game now is worse then ever.

Just because you cheese r10, it dont make you a good player.