I'm going to assume you mean soloing/grouping for Reaper XP in epics @ CRUISE speed. I'm at 46 points on one toon, and 57 on another.

If you're soloing, you're probably going to be playing a ranged or melee toon (or lock). It's important to remember that in epics the mobs get a sizable damage bonus right at 20, to account for you getting epic destinies. This damage is very significant when you're solo.

I've heard of melee with 40 points not being able to solo eveningstar on R1. I've heard of melee doing it with 3 points. There are some essential gearing and build decisions that you must make if you're going to solo (or group).

1. Heal amp + healing yourself to full in that skull setting in less than 4 seconds or something.
2. Meld
3. Appropriate level 20 twink gear.

Soloing above R4 at cap generally wants 21 points imo. Higher than R4 it is more about you as a player and fine-tuning things.

I have access to daily groups that average 300-400 rXP a minute at cap. We run everything r7 to r10. (No pots.) This is about triple the rate you can get solo. You can also perfect and hone a character @ cap.

IMO you really need to group for good rXP.

You can break 1000 rXP/min if you have first time bonuses and streak. A lot of people do their past lives up to cap and save everything. Then they hit all the easy ones on r7 with a Pug, and the hard ones on R5.

Skooge, you're probably approaching the top 5% of the player base. The meta is going to be what you make it. Reality applies, but just use your noggin.

Before I got deleted; i was at around 30 something reaper ap and could solo almost every r5 quest on zerg's melee power thrower. This was for epics.

Skoodge wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 8:35am:

We ( players) had NO reaper points doing these first 10 skulls year ago.
Noone cares how many reaper points or past lives you have.

Although with 20 it's much more comfortable, I'd be happy with 40 - 50.

Rzyman wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 7:28pm:


Total devil's advocate response here, because I sure as hell can't (and don't) disagree with most of what you said.

But first, let's separate playing from grinding.  Grinding is grinding and playing is playing.  If someone has a 'help me pull X from X quest' post up, 90% of the time I'm going to jump in for a quick run to open the end chest up for them and give them that shot at something I probably a lot of time trying to get myself at one point.

And if they're running at a low setting (EN or EH) in epics or anything below reaper in heroics, I'm going to get them to raise it to my level for better drop rates.  But that's grinding and grinding sucks.

But while on the subject of grinding - hypothetically, you're running slavers or RL on reaper (let's say R2 through R5).  What's your spread?  Do you only let characters levels 27/28-30 in to speed up the runs?  Or do you open it up all the way for everyone in epics? 

Most people will keep the lower level cap at 27/28 because more power=faster runs.
I put mine at 25-30 because I expect to carry the group and any help will speed things up slightly.
A handful (and I do mean a handful) will put their slavers/RL runs at 20-30 because they are so good that even a level 20 toon can just follow safely in their wake of destruction.

Levels matter in this game.
Power matters in this game.
Reaper points matter in this game.  I'll argue that when you're hitting over 50 reaper points, you're getting as much, if not more, of a boost that you'd get from just a handful of levels.

Now let's talk about playing -

Your level 20 running the initial sagas in epics, what's your spread?  Do you open your group up 20-30 so a capped toon with RL gear can come in for speed runs?  Or do you keep your level tight (20-22 or 20-24) because it's still going to be a speed run with an even half way decent group? 

Personally (and this could just be me) I keep it tight as hell because one, the regular and reaper xp is going to be better with a tighter group, but mostly - because it's boring as fuck having someone with that much power in the run.  Some challenge becomes absolutely no challenge at all the wider your spread.

And finally, more extreme example.

You're doing a heroic life.  There are a ton of new players in the game now and we're seeing a wider range of difficulty settings than we did a year or two ago.

So let me ask you -

Would you ever, ever, ever jump in someone's elite group in heroics?  Ever?  Because personally, my builds and gear are tight enough that I don't belong in an elite group.  I've been soloing elite for almost a decade now.  Would you ever even bother with a heroic elite group?  Even if the XP was the same as reaper?

Let alone someone's hard or normal group in heroics?  Do you even belong in there?  Because players are picking settings they're comfortable with - "I think I can pull it off at this setting".  They're doing what's fun for them.  Part of the fun of this game is the challenge, the feeling of accomplishment and yeah, absolutely learning how to play and improve your game. 

If a new player wants to jump in my reaper group and try their best to help out, rock on.  But I would never, ever, ever jump into their heroic norm group because I'm so overpowered I'd just be shitting all over their fun by literally walking through the dungeon with everything dying around me without even pushing a button.

This game is all about power.  You absolutely have to take risks to get it, but I think it is important to know when you're helping out vs. when you're just kind of showboating.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 7:29am:


You would think.  I'm a big fan, I even skip certain quests in heroics to open them up for epic BB.

But man, a lot of people just open their spread wide - automatically putting those low level quests for 20-30.

And I almost always get people messaging me to open my quests up to higher levels. 

Fuck those guys.

Skoodge wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 8:07am:


Shrugs. I just gently explain people that they would ruin bravery bonus for entire group. Thats usually enough and noone get offended 

Wipe wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 9:22am:


Yes, but the difference is that R10 used to be a thing people would prepare for, now it's a zerg. That has to do with gear power creep too ofc

Rzyman wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 8:25am:


I think you might be missing the point I'm trying to make.  Someone asks for help?  Hell yeah, I'm there.  Hell, the only reason I stay in the guild I'm in is because of all the new players (that and because the guild is way more about helping each other out than being uber or badass). 

But there's a fine line between helping and ruining someone else's fun.  I know when I started playing, I sure as hell wouldn't want someone like you or me in my groups.  Someone that powerful just kills the challenge of the quest. 

We've ran all these quests 100 times, we're all about the speed.  But new players running it for the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd time, it's about the experience and the feeling of accomplishment of beating it yourself.

New players are playing a different game than us, really.  If they want help, I'll give them help.  If they want advice, I'm going to give them advice.

But I'm not going to ruin their fun.

Skoodge wrote on Aug 29^th, 2018 at 11:25am:


Agree. Thats why I ask first if people need help. If they having fun on normal\hard, I'll just keep doing my business 

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 7:16am:

Getting deleted is the ultimate endgame build.